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    That's why we should press...or drop our ILB.
    William Gay can't make a good read or get the proper break on a route playing off a WR 5-10 yards and you want him to play press? Are you ****ing insane? Instead of Gay allowing 10 yard catches he'll be giving up long passing play receptions as he gets burnt time and time again

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    he is decent at running guys down that he allowed to catch a ball and make the tackle. I think his tackle numbers are a little blown up because of his inability to cover. He's making tackles of guys he allows to catch the ball
    Thus a good #3 CB...normally #3 CBs cover 3rd options that run intermediate routes...allowing them to catch a 6 yard pass on 3rd and 10 is acceptable...but allowing a #2 receiver to continually catch 6 yard passes...or even allowing him to get 15 yards beyond you...that's a problem.
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    William Gay can't make a good read or get the proper break on a route playing off a WR 5-10 yards and you want him to play press? Are you ****ing insane? Instead of Gay allowing 10 yard catches he'll be giving up long passing play receptions as he gets burnt time and time again
    That's why I used the word "or"
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    he is decent at running guys down that he allowed to catch a ball and make the tackle. I think his tackle numbers are a little blown up because of his inability to cover. He's making tackles of guys he allows to catch the ball
    Hey, if you can't cover them at least make sure you tackle them

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    To be a lil more descriptive...I think you can establish a better zone coverage system where you can drop your LBs...press the CBs and get intermediate safety help that can allow the pass rush to get to the QB...that would help eliminate the short-to-intermediate passes...but it'd struggle against the long pass play if the pass rush couldn't get there.
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    To be a lil more descriptive...I think you can establish a better zone coverage system where you can drop your LBs...press the CBs and get intermediate safety help that can allow the pass rush to get to the QB...that would help eliminate the short-to-intermediate passes...but it'd struggle against the long pass play if the pass rush couldn't get there.

    Yeah but how does dropping a LB or two and having CB's play press with safety help over the top allow us to get great pressure on a QB with our zone blitz system that's predicated on pressure coming from anyone, anywhere, at anytime?

    With that system you're talking about, that only leaves about 5 rushers, who I think would get easily picked up by an offense.

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    I think our secondary in general is our "weak link".... Moreso might fall on Gay, but it always seems to be a characteristic for Steeler teams to have a secondary playing soft and allowing the completions.... I know that I was just one of many folks complaining about it last night in the GDT... The passes are being completed, and the chains were being moved last night... Yea, we played freakin stellar in the 2nd half mostly, but the 1st half was just painful to watch... We need 60 continuous minutes... Orton is no "Joe Montana", so I almost shudder to think what a passer like Carson Palmer will do to us this week....

    .... That's my rant for the week.... Please feel free to bash away at me for it now....
    Carson shouldn't accomplish much IF we get some pressure on him. that's always the key. It was the key last year to having a good pass defense. Besides that, Cincinnati's offense is a strong run based offense now. They smartened up and decided to rely on a run game than Gimpy Palmer. Now they just ask him to manage the game. I mean, the last time we played Cincinnati Palmer barely completed 50% of his passes for under 200 yards. We held a 20-9 lead heading into the 4th quarter of that game, had over 100 yards rushing, Ben had near 300 yards passing.

    It's pretty simple. don't have a 4th quarter collapse, which we've avoided the past few games and Cincinnati we'll be in 2nd place come next monday

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    To be a lil more descriptive...I think you can establish a better zone coverage system where you can drop your LBs...press the CBs and get intermediate safety help that can allow the pass rush to get to the QB...that would help eliminate the short-to-intermediate passes...but it'd struggle against the long pass play if the pass rush couldn't get there.
    LeBeau's zone scheme is designed to keep everything underneath. It also relies on CB's, well any scheme relies on CB's to be able to read plays and stick with routes. Gay isn't doing those 2 things that are pretty much standard in any defense. The scheme won't matter much if Gay can't cover. We can't pull up a safety to help him on short stuff all of the time, we generally drop LB's into zone's or they get to cover a TE or RB in the flat.

    Bottom line is Gay simply needs to do a better job covering guys

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    LeBeau's zone scheme is designed to keep everything underneath. It also relies on CB's, well any scheme relies on CB's to be able to read plays and stick with routes. Gay isn't doing those 2 things that are pretty much standard in any defense. The scheme won't matter much if Gay can't cover. We can't pull up a safety to help him on short stuff all of the time, we generally drop LB's into zone's or they get to cover a TE or RB in the flat.

    Bottom line is Gay simply needs to do a better job covering guys

    Maybe LeBeau got confused by Gay's last name and just assumed he'd be good at things like that.



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    Maybe LeBeau got confused by Gay's last name and just assumed he'd be good at things like that.


    problem there is maybe Gay is better at covering "tight ends"

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