Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 16

Thread: International Signings 2010

      
  1. #1
    jnn123's Avatar
    Status : jnn123 is offline
    Rank : Superstar
    Join Date : Oct 17, 2009
    Posts : 2,954
    Threads : 197
    Last Online : Nov-10-2013 @ 11:50 AM

    Default International Signings 2010

    Baseball America has their big feature on the 2010 Latin American signing period up now. A nice picture of Heredia throwing in Pirates gear right on their front page. A couple tidbits:

    The Pirates ranked 4th overall in Latin American spending with $5 million and that does not include the $600k they gave to Cesar Lopez. They do not include Cuban defectors in with the Latin American amateurs. That means they still spent roughly the same $3 million budget as in 2010 PLUS the $2.6 million for Heredia when all was said and done. When you consider that they were also number two in draft spending by only a few thousand dollars, I think it's pretty safe to say they were #1 in amateur signing bonuses for the year.

    Heredia got the second highest international signing bonus of the year. No other Pirates on the top 30 highest bonuses, but Lopez would have fit in at 22 had he qualified.

    Other guys who got 6 figure bonuses:
    OF Willy Garcia (DR) - $280,000
    SS Dilson Herrera (Colombia) - $220,000
    RHP Yhonatan Herrand (DR) - $185,000
    RHP Isaac Sanchez (DR) - $180,000
    OF Miguel De Aza (DR) - $150,000
    RHP Yunior Montero (DR)
    OF Yunior Aquiles (DR)
    LHP Mervin del Rosario (DR)
    LHP Angel Sanchez (DR)

    No figures given for those last few guys.

    Some info:

    RHP Luis Heredia: Has been working out at Pirate City on his strength and is now 6'6" 205. At the time he signed he was listed at 6'5" 185. Additional size has led to a velocity increase and he's touched 94-95 in the instructional league. Could develop into a true power arm. Changeup is good right now and a potential plus offering. Curve needs work. Advanced feel for pitching, loose arm, able to throw strikes.

    SS Dilson Herrera: A Gayo target since age 12. He was a switch hitter, but the Pirates have had him drop the left handed side. Doesn't have amazing tools, but is impressive in game action with good instincts, etc. Gap power, good speed, decent arm.

    OF Yunior Aquiles: 6'3" 180, which is pretty much the definition of a projectible body. Not a pure hitter, but good power, which could develop further. In CF for now, could move to a corner.

    OF Willy Garcia: 6'3" 180 also. 18 years old rather than 16. Also not a pure hitter, but a bit further along. Could develop good power and has a very strong arm.

    RHP Yonatahan Herrand: 6'5" 230 power pitcher. Touched 97 in instructional league. Works fastball/changeup and is struggling to find a reliable breaking pitch.

    RHP Yunior Montero: Signed by the Pirates in 2009 for $45,000 as a guy who worked 86-88. Failed a background investigation and had his contract voided. Served a 1 year suspension, then signed with the Pirates again for $185,000! Now hits 94 with the fastball and throws an OK slider. Possible reliever down the road.

    LHP Angel Sanchez: 6'7" (!) 190. Good curve, but only hits 83-87 with his fastball. Good sink, though.

    RHP Isaac Sanchez: Weird story. Grew up in Chicago and was homeschooled. Didn't play much baseball in competitive leagues. Moved to the DR in the last couple years and impressed enough to get $180,000. Works 88-91, touches 94, and flashes a good curve.

    CF Miguel De Aza: LH Bat. Gap power, good speed, strong arm. Good defender.

    LHP Mervin Del Rosario: Recent convert to the mound. Good athlete, but very raw. Sits 88-91 and working on other pitches.

    RHP Cesar Lopez: 6'3 190. 20 years old Cuban. Sinker/slider guy, touches low 90s.

    RHP Aliaksei Lukashevich: First player ever signed out of Belarus. Got $90,000. Very raw as expected.
    Last edited by jnn123; Mar-02-2011 at 09:53 PM.

  2. #2
    Steelreign's Avatar

    Status : Steelreign is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wheatfield, Indiana
    Posts : 18,943
    Threads : 227
    Last Online : Nov-02-2016 @ 07:58 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Thanks for posting this. This list looks promising to say the least.
    Pittsburgh Sports Forum: Member Driven and no ads

  3. #3
    Lup's Avatar
    Status : Lup is offline
    Rank : Minor Leaguer
    Join Date : Oct 18, 2009
    Posts : 605
    Threads : 36
    Last Online : Oct-01-2013 @ 09:32 AM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    5 million? That must be a typo the Nuttings wouldn't spend that kind of money.

  4. #4
    exNCite's Avatar
    Status : exNCite is offline
    Rank : Hall Of Famer
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wall, New Jersey, United States
    Posts : 5,589
    Threads : 413
    Last Online : Jul-14-2017 @ 06:36 PM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Lup View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    5 million? That must be a typo the Nuttings wouldn't spend that kind of money.
    Where are those Lemmings when you need them?

    POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!

  5. #5
    BigBen2112's Avatar
    Status : BigBen2112 is offline
    Rank : Hall Of Famer
    Join Date : Oct 13, 2009
    Posts : 5,773
    Threads : 135
    Last Online : Jun-03-2014 @ 02:44 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Heredia is the real deal. I can honestly say that by the time he's 19 or 20 he may well be in the majors...teamed with Taillon and Allie (closer)...add to that Alvarez and possibly Rendon and McCutchen? That's a hell of a talent pool.

    I said all the way back at the Trib that the way to build good small market teams is pretty clear...and the Pirates have figured it out too. They will be #1 in amateur spending this year with the #1 overall pick. Rendon will cost maybe a little less than Bryce Harper money...and they will not deviate from their strategy the rest of the draft just because of the cost of that pick.
    Hidden Content
    "Like I always say, there's no 'I' in team. There's a 'me,' though, if you jumble it all up."--House

  6. #6
    Steelreign's Avatar

    Status : Steelreign is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wheatfield, Indiana
    Posts : 18,943
    Threads : 227
    Last Online : Nov-02-2016 @ 07:58 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    You gotta think too that if they are spending this much money to draft and sign these players, that they will spend to keep as many (of the ones that pan out) as they can. You don't spend BIG money on a new car and then not maintain it.
    Pittsburgh Sports Forum: Member Driven and no ads

  7. #7
    BigBen2112's Avatar
    Status : BigBen2112 is offline
    Rank : Hall Of Famer
    Join Date : Oct 13, 2009
    Posts : 5,773
    Threads : 135
    Last Online : Jun-03-2014 @ 02:44 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by Steelreign View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    You gotta think too that if they are spending this much money to draft and sign these players, that they will spend to keep as many (of the ones that pan out) as they can. You don't spend BIG money on a new car and then not maintain it.
    Yeah...there is a difference though. The reason why is that they would need to spend to keep these guys and STILL spend in the draft to continually have new talent coming through. Its a tough line to walk quite honestly. The payroll would have to, likely, be around 65-75M plus the draft to be able to maintain a roster of guys like McCutchen, Tabata, Alvarez, Rendon, Walker, and the others.
    Hidden Content
    "Like I always say, there's no 'I' in team. There's a 'me,' though, if you jumble it all up."--House

  8. #8
    Steelreign's Avatar

    Status : Steelreign is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wheatfield, Indiana
    Posts : 18,943
    Threads : 227
    Last Online : Nov-02-2016 @ 07:58 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBen2112 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Yeah...there is a difference though. The reason why is that they would need to spend to keep these guys and STILL spend in the draft to continually have new talent coming through. Its a tough line to walk quite honestly. The payroll would have to, likely, be around 65-75M plus the draft to be able to maintain a roster of guys like McCutchen, Tabata, Alvarez, Rendon, Walker, and the others.
    That's where I would hope the draft would remain the emphasis of player acquisition. If they could keep infusing the system with talented players it would help keep cost in control and hopefully make decisions on who to retain and who you could afford to trade away because there is someone behind that guy ready to come up and produce, a la Mike Wallace/Santonio Holmes. That's how I am envisioning it anyway.
    Pittsburgh Sports Forum: Member Driven and no ads

  9. #9
    Steelreign's Avatar

    Status : Steelreign is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wheatfield, Indiana
    Posts : 18,943
    Threads : 227
    Last Online : Nov-02-2016 @ 07:58 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBen2112 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Yeah...there is a difference though. The reason why is that they would need to spend to keep these guys and STILL spend in the draft to continually have new talent coming through. Its a tough line to walk quite honestly. The payroll would have to, likely, be around 65-75M plus the draft to be able to maintain a roster of guys like McCutchen, Tabata, Alvarez, Rendon, Walker, and the others.
    That's where I would hope the draft would remain the emphasis of player acquisition. If they could keep infusing the system with talented players it would help keep cost in control and hopefully make decisions on who to retain and who you could afford to trade away because there is someone behind that guy ready to come up and produce, a la Mike Wallace/Santonio Holmes. That's how I am envisioning it anyway.
    Pittsburgh Sports Forum: Member Driven and no ads

  10. #10
    exNCite's Avatar
    Status : exNCite is offline
    Rank : Hall Of Famer
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wall, New Jersey, United States
    Posts : 5,589
    Threads : 413
    Last Online : Jul-14-2017 @ 06:36 PM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by BigBen2112 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Yeah...there is a difference though. The reason why is that they would need to spend to keep these guys and STILL spend in the draft to continually have new talent coming through. Its a tough line to walk quite honestly. The payroll would have to, likely, be around 65-75M plus the draft to be able to maintain a roster of guys like McCutchen, Tabata, Alvarez, Rendon, Walker, and the others.
    I have to think that if we're drafting in the 28th 0r 29th or whatever spot instead of #1 all the time, the pressure to spend extravagantly at the minor level would not be so great. Absolutely you need to keep the pipeline full. Having major league and minor league volume gives you more opportunities to replenish, as has been pointed out in the past. Part of the plan stuff.

    POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!

  11. #11
    jnn123's Avatar
    Status : jnn123 is offline
    Rank : Superstar
    Join Date : Oct 17, 2009
    Posts : 2,954
    Threads : 197
    Last Online : Nov-10-2013 @ 11:50 AM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Of the big bonus guys from this year, 3 are in the US for spring training right now. Heredia has been mentioned a lot, but the other two are Yhonatan Herrand and Willy Garcia. I think they're both 18 right now. A few interesting guys from 2009 who are in the US now: IF Alen Hanson, OF Jose Ozuna, OF Luis Urena, and LHP Orlando Castro. Most of them will be in their age 18 seasons as well.

  12. #12
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Quote Originally Posted by jnn123 View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Of the big bonus guys from this year, 3 are in the US for spring training right now. Heredia has been mentioned a lot, but the other two are Yhonatan Herrand and Willy Garcia. I think they're both 18 right now. A few interesting guys from 2009 who are in the US now: IF Alen Hanson, OF Jose Ozuna, OF Luis Urena, and LHP Orlando Castro. Most of them will be in their age 18 seasons as well.
    Luis Urena looked good today....he reminds me of Gavi Nivar and Greg Polanco.

  13. #13
    jnn123's Avatar
    Status : jnn123 is offline
    Rank : Superstar
    Join Date : Oct 17, 2009
    Posts : 2,954
    Threads : 197
    Last Online : Nov-10-2013 @ 11:50 AM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    I guess I left out a couple international players who are in the US for the first time. There's also RHP Cesar Lopez, the 20 year old Cuban (this was expected), and two Australians who signed in 2010: LHP Jackson Lodge and LHP Wilson Lee. Lee is 19 and Lodge just turned 17 in December. The Belarus dude, RHP Alex Lukashevich is there as well.
    Last edited by jnn123; Mar-16-2011 at 10:55 PM.

  14. #14
    Kipper's Avatar
    Status : Kipper is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 8, 2009
    Posts : 67,323
    Threads : 1817
    Last Online : Apr-25-2017 @ 08:36 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    What's the word for 2011 Internationally? Anyone seen or heard any talks about the big named player(s) for this season? Last year sort of really snuck up and very late, especially compared to the Sano craze the season before that lasted all season
    The Standard Is The Standard and The Pittsburgh Sports Forum Is The Standard


  15. #15
    Shaker100's Avatar
    Status : Shaker100 is offline
    Rank : 3rd Stringer
    Join Date : Oct 17, 2009
    Posts : 803
    Threads : 31
    Last Online : Jul-18-2017 @ 07:26 PM

    Default Re: International Signings 2010

    Think of where the Pirates were in 2006 compared to now. Heredia, Taillon, Allie on the way and all the position players already here and probably Rendon soon. I wish we could have synched it up a little better but we couldn't draft everyone all at once. High School kids take a while to develop. But wow, it's starting to look very promising.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Quick Reply Quick Reply

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Members who have read this thread: 0

There are no members to list at the moment.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •