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    Rank Player ETA
    1. Jameson Taillon 2013
    2. Stetson Allie 2014
    3. Tony Sanchez 2012
    4. Rudy Owens 2011
    5. Bryan Morris 2011
    6. Luis Heredia 2014
    7. Jeff Locke 2012
    8. Starling Marte 2013
    9. Zack Von Rosenberg 2014
    10. Colton Cain 2014
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    9. Zack Von Rosenberg 2014
    10. Colton Cain 2014
    From what I've been reading, I am starting to get pessimistic about these two guys.

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    http://pittsburgh.pirates.mlb.com/ne..._pit&c_id=pit#

    Rank Player ETA
    1. Jameson Taillon 2013
    2. Stetson Allie 2014
    3. Tony Sanchez 2012
    4. Rudy Owens 2011
    5. Bryan Morris 2011
    6. Luis Heredia 2014
    7. Jeff Locke 2012
    8. Starling Marte 2013
    9. Zack Von Rosenberg 2014
    10. Colton Cain 2014
    What's impressive about this list is that it's not dominated with just pitchers its that all of the pitchers aren't righties. Cain, Owners and Locke are all lefties and none of them are soft tossing lefties either. Locke and Owens have incredible control. Locke has a near 9 K/9 with a BB/9 below 2 and is left handed!! Owens sits between 8.5 and 8.0 K/9 with an even lower BB/9 .

    when you have some good dominant lefties like this who command the ball so well that makes your staff so much better because lefties are tough to hit.

    Jonathan Mayo's Top 10 pretty much resembles the rest. 5-10 could possibly be arranged in different ways
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    From what I've been reading, I am starting to get pessimistic about these two guys.
    Why? Both pitched pretty well in their short season debuts last year. They're still very much age appropriate for West Virginia this year. I think Cain's stock may have actually gone up last year.

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    From what I've been reading, I am starting to get pessimistic about these two guys.
    Keep in mind, the high school pitchers drafted in 2009 spent the 2010 season almost exclusively working on fastball command. Their seasons were less about the results and much more about their development.

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    Why? Both pitched pretty well in their short season debuts last year. They're still very much age appropriate for West Virginia this year. I think Cain's stock may have actually gone up last year.
    I have read on several blogs (and maybe one of PFV's reports?) that they were each throwing in the mid 80's right now. It is always pointed out that their velocity will inch upward as the season progresses. Cain in particular was supposed to be (I thought) a power lefty arm. I am a little leery of prospects struggling to inch up to 90-91. Seems to me the high rankings are still grounded in the draft reports. Maybe Tim Alderson has just made me a bit jaded when I hear of guys throwing in the mid-80's.

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    Why? Both pitched pretty well in their short season debuts last year. They're still very much age appropriate for West Virginia this year. I think Cain's stock may have actually gone up last year.
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    Keep in mind, the high school pitchers drafted in 2009 spent the 2010 season almost exclusively working on fastball command. Their seasons were less about the results and much more about their development.
    Yeah Cain's numbers last year, when you look outside of the ERA everything else with exception to the BB's was very good. He wasn't hit much at all and his K/9 was above average. His BB's were a little high but with them preaching command and control at that level with the FB more than anything, BB's can be higher because pitchers have more desire to nibble since they are limited in pitch variety.

    ZVR had a decent showing last year too. It wasn't dominant but as was said, it';s more about command and control of the FB than full out strategic pitching. His K/9 was a little low, and that could be from the abundance of FB's but the rest of his numbers from ERA to BB's and WHIP etc... were all pretty decent.

    This season should really tell us more about these 2 guys as pitchers more than just throwers. I'm interested and intrigued
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