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    Default Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

    In today's writeup, Clint slams Wood for trying to get to 3rd on a Wild Pitch that didn't roll far from the catcher.

    This is the same guy who inexplicably 'loves' on Cutch for making the last out at home in a 6-3 game??

    Double standard??


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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

    The play was fine...if he really slammed Wood then that seems inappropriate to me.
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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

    "You're already in scoring position and if you're safe, we're all happy," Hurdle said. "But he pushed the envelope a little bit. At times you have to be smart, so when you're out at third like that, it never looks good."

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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

    As I said in the game Thread, I thought it was a good chance. That ended up being a play that needed exactly qwhat it got to get Wood out - Perfect throw and good catch and tag.

    New Flash, we weren't going to probably score on Heath Bell with Wood on 2nd. Wood on 3rd and 1 out, we could bring him home on a sac. anything else and the percentage of chance scoring on a pitcher that doesn't allow many to score on him was slim. So it was a risk by Wood, it didn't work out but it was a low risk, high reward decision IMO because I don't feel it made a difference.
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    Speaking of Mccutchen... someone needs to explain how Lyle Overbay can get a better jump and steal 2nd by a few steps and Andrew Mccutchen gets caught stealing? I know that Mccutchen had been stealing bases better recently even if he hasn't been swiping many bags in general but he looked SLOW when he got caught yesterday, especially compared to Overbay
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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

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    Speaking of Mccutchen... someone needs to explain how Lyle Overbay can get a better jump and steal 2nd by a few steps and Andrew Mccutchen gets caught stealing? I know that Mccutchen had been stealing bases better recently even if he hasn't been swiping many bags in general but he looked SLOW when he got caught yesterday, especially compared to Overbay
    Well, Overbay was stealing against a different pitcher, who appeared to have a very slow delivery to the plate. I think Overbay could have stolen standing up haha. On a side note, that pitcher (I think his name was adams maybe?) had some crazy wicked stuff.
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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

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    Speaking of Mccutchen... someone needs to explain how Lyle Overbay can get a better jump and steal 2nd by a few steps and Andrew Mccutchen gets caught stealing? I know that Mccutchen had been stealing bases better recently even if he hasn't been swiping many bags in general but he looked SLOW when he got caught yesterday, especially compared to Overbay
    It looked like when McCutchen got called stealing, the padres called for a pitch out. The catcher was already in his stance and ready to throw before the pitch even made it to the plate. Pretty hard to steal a base when the pitcher throws a fastball pitch out to a catcher who is already ready to throw it to second.

    With Overbay, I think he surprised everyone. I also think he stole on an offspeed pitch and the throw wasn't as accurate as the throw that got McCutchen.

    Not sure, but I also think that Overbay got a better jump than McCutchen. Then again, he pretty much had the element of surprise. I'd be interested to see what the breakdown of what pitch McCutchen tries to steal (first pitch, second, etc) and where his success is. I was surprised to see him go on the first pitch. I would have thought he would wait a pitch or two to see if he could take advantage of the count. He basically let the pitcher thrown one away (pitch out).

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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

    As far as wood goes...I thought it was a very poor decision to try to steal on that one, I would give him a pass on it for trying to be aggressive, but he also made a **** poor decision when he turned 2 with the bases loaded and no outs which allowed the winning run to score. Not to mention the bunt. Wood screwed up three times last night and they were all huge mistakes.

    However, Clint Hurdle is not getting out of this rant unscathed. What the **** was Biemel doing out there pitching against all those righties in the first place??? Biemel is a lefty specialist, nothing more. He should have never been in that situation. WTF was Hurdle thinking??????
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    It looked like when McCutchen got called stealing, the padres called for a pitch out. The catcher was already in his stance and ready to throw before the pitch even made it to the plate. Pretty hard to steal a base when the pitcher throws a fastball pitch out to a catcher who is already ready to throw it to second.

    With Overbay, I think he surprised everyone. I also think he stole on an offspeed pitch and the throw wasn't as accurate as the throw that got McCutchen.

    Not sure, but I also think that Overbay got a better jump than McCutchen. Then again, he pretty much had the element of surprise. I'd be interested to see what the breakdown of what pitch McCutchen tries to steal (first pitch, second, etc) and where his success is. I was surprised to see him go on the first pitch. I would have thought he would wait a pitch or two to see if he could take advantage of the count. He basically let the pitcher thrown one away (pitch out).
    Thats true, I forgot to mention the pitch out....Also, like you said, it was surprising to see him go on the first pitch... Kinda makes you wonder if San Diego was able to steal a sign from the pirates to clue them in on the steal, cause not only was it odd to see Cutch go on the first pitch, it was even odder for San Diego to have a pitch out called for the first pitch.
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    It looked like when McCutchen got called stealing, the padres called for a pitch out. The catcher was already in his stance and ready to throw before the pitch even made it to the plate. Pretty hard to steal a base when the pitcher throws a fastball pitch out to a catcher who is already ready to throw it to second.

    With Overbay, I think he surprised everyone. I also think he stole on an offspeed pitch and the throw wasn't as accurate as the throw that got McCutchen.

    Not sure, but I also think that Overbay got a better jump than McCutchen. Then again, he pretty much had the element of surprise. I'd be interested to see what the breakdown of what pitch McCutchen tries to steal (first pitch, second, etc) and where his success is. I was surprised to see him go on the first pitch. I would have thought he would wait a pitch or two to see if he could take advantage of the count. He basically let the pitcher thrown one away (pitch out).
    Pitch Outs IMO are overrated. As a catcher you generally know during the wind up if a player is going to steal and are prepared to throw the ball in the same amount of time. It wasn't even a good pitch out ball either. Cutch got a really slow jump to that steal especially compared to Overbay who for some miraculous reason got a great jump.
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    Default Re: Clint 'protects' Cutch, but slams Wood? Makes no sense!

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    In today's writeup, Clint slams Wood for trying to get to 3rd on a Wild Pitch that didn't roll far from the catcher.

    This is the same guy who inexplicably 'loves' on Cutch for making the last out at home in a 6-3 game??

    Double standard??

    I really can't make any sense of this either. I didn't necessarily like Wood's decision, but it was understandable at least. He was the tying run and he saw an opportunity to get to third with one out. If it works out it's huge. Doumit has a pretty solid shot at bringing him in to tie the game without even picking up a base hit.

    The McCutchen play really has no defense. They were down 3 at the time. His run meant absolutely nothing and they still had to get two more men around. If there was anything less than a 100% chance of scoring then there's no reason to go.

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    As far as wood goes...I thought it was a very poor decision to try to steal on that one, I would give him a pass on it for trying to be aggressive, but he also made a **** poor decision when he turned 2 with the bases loaded and no outs which allowed the winning run to score. Not to mention the bunt. Wood screwed up three times last night and they were all huge mistakes.

    However, Clint Hurdle is not getting out of this rant unscathed. What the **** was Biemel doing out there pitching against all those righties in the first place??? Biemel is a lefty specialist, nothing more. He should have never been in that situation. WTF was Hurdle thinking??????
    We think that Beimel was out there due to a few other pitchers up in their pitch counts (Hurdle is very strict with BP arm pitch counts and usage compared to past coaches) and the possiblity of having to go into extra innings at that point and having already having to goto the pen early to bail out an ineffective Jeff Karstens. That's the best we have. I'd have taken Beimel out just because he didn't look sharp and screw pitch counts

    How was Wood stealing 3rd or attempting to on a wild pitch a huge mistake against a closer that has an era below 1 and is one of the best in the game? I think it would've been a huge mistake to not try and get him on 3rd with 1 out and hope that Doumit can provide a sac fly.

    That DP decision, I agree, that was a poor decision. Should've gone home with that and if you only get one, try to get the DP or something after that. Should've been trying to protect the lead at that point IMO.
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    I really can't make any sense of this either. I didn't necessarily like Wood's decision, but it was understandable at least. He was the tying run and he saw an opportunity to get to third with one out. If it works out it's huge. Doumit has a pretty solid shot at bringing him in to tie the game without even picking up a base hit.

    The McCutchen play really has no defense. They were down 3 at the time. His run meant absolutely nothing and they still had to get two more men around. If there was anything less than a 100% chance of scoring then there's no reason to go.
    Slight concern also that they anticipated and predicted Cutch stealing too. We don't really want that sort of predictability on the base paths but when it does happen, guys like McCutchen have to beat the throw. I mean he wasn't even close. He's still out even if there isn't a pitch out IMO
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    However, Clint Hurdle is not getting out of this rant unscathed. What the **** was Biemel doing out there pitching against all those righties in the first place??? Biemel is a lefty specialist, nothing more. He should have never been in that situation. WTF was Hurdle thinking??????
    I think I recall Bob Walk talking about how Hurdle would like to have anyone else out there but Biemel. So Kip's assumption is probably correct.

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    Slight concern also that they anticipated and predicted Cutch stealing too. We don't really want that sort of predictability on the base paths but when it does happen, guys like McCutchen have to beat the throw. I mean he wasn't even close. He's still out even if there isn't a pitch out IMO
    I'm not sure if they do have a stat (wait this is baseball, there probably is one) of what pitch and what count Cutch likes to steal on. If the Padres figured out that Cutch like to steal on the first pitch, then that's good scouting on their part.

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