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    McCutchen, Bucs no closer on contract extension
    By Dejan Kovacevic, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Sunday, June 12, 2011

    [IMGL]http://i52.tinypic.com/2gxlp8k.jpg[/IMGL]The Pirates and center fielder Andrew McCutchen have made no progress toward a multiyear contract extension since they last talked in April.

    The sides had been discussing the extension for several months before word of the negotiations became public in early May. There have been no new approaches from either side in the interim, even though both are believed to remain open to an agreement.

    Pirates president Frank Coonelly declined comment Saturday, citing club policy on contract matters.

    McCutchen's salary is $452,500, but that means little in this context. Teams can assign any salary they wish to a player in his first three years in the majors above the minimum $414,500. The player then is eligible for salary arbitration the next three years before he can declare free agency. The latter would come in 2016 for McCutchen, based on his current status.

    The Pirates and McCutchen had discussed a contract that would buy out a year or two of McCutchen's free-agency time, either through guaranteed money or a club option. That appears to still be on the table for both sides, but money is the separator.

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    Default Re: McCutchen, Bucs no closer on contract extension

    This doesn't sound like it's going well, but it's the early stages. Hopefully the season he's having, and being a Pittsburgh superstar will encourage him more.

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    Default Re: McCutchen, Bucs no closer on contract extension

    At this point, it's all about posturing to find out where everyone is at. I feel confident that a deal will get done though and Cutch will be here for a long time.
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    At this point, it's all about posturing to find out where everyone is at. I feel confident that a deal will get done though and Cutch will be here for a long time.
    .... I hope you're right......
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    I believe has twofold importance. 1- They need to retain their cornerstone piece and 2-The Front Office knows it is a great opportunity to show us fans they are serious about building and that Cutch is a great place to start.
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    I believe has twofold importance. 1- They need to retain their cornerstone piece and 2-The Front Office knows it is a great opportunity to show us fans they are serious about building and that Cutch is a great place to start.
    The Pirates will sign Mccutchen. The Pirates have usually signed their young players. It's when they are unproductive (Bautista, Schmidt), overrated (McLouth) or on their 2nd contract or past their primes and OLD (Bay, nady, Wilson, Sanchez) that they trade them and everyone that knows who the Pittsburgh Pirates are cries that "we always trade away our best players". At some we will probably trade Mccutchen too. That's the nature of sports anymore, especially for small market baseball teams.

    But... the Pirates will definately sign Cutch. They couldn't take the PR hit if they didn't and signing Cutch to a nice extension for the big money he will get will probnably be one of the best current PR deals for the Pirates outside of a .500 season to gain some trust from the fanbase.

    Right now there's no doubt this is about length. One side wants more length and when you exceed specific lengths this is where you start geting into some hard haggling on money figures. There's always comparables out there but if you exceed year numbers than you are getting int guessing the market in the future and figuring out what the average per year should be for that player. No doubt one side is high right now and one is lower
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    Default Re: McCutchen, Bucs no closer on contract extension

    I'm gonna guess off the top of my head that he gets a 6 year/$48 million. It's a nice raise and relatively cheap for a player of his talent.
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    I agree that just in terms of PR, a deal needs to get done. Too many people in Pittsburgh have the attitude of "McCutchen? Who cares about him, we'll trade him to the Yankees in a year." But this current ownership is not stupid. They know the kind of player they have in him, and I've never heard Huntington not mention his name as the cornerstone of the franchise. I still remember him fielding questions about payroll last year, where he'd outright say our payroll matures as our players do, mentioning McCutchen by name as a guy we'll be paying.

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    I'm gonna guess off the top of my head that he gets a 6 year/$48 million. It's a nice raise and relatively cheap for a player of his talent.
    He'll probably get more per year. you figure Jason Kendall got $10 million per 10 years+ ago

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    I agree that just in terms of PR, a deal needs to get done. Too many people in Pittsburgh have the attitude of "McCutchen? Who cares about him, we'll trade him to the Yankees in a year." But this current ownership is not stupid. They know the kind of player they have in him, and I've never heard Huntington not mention his name as the cornerstone of the franchise. I still remember him fielding questions about payroll last year, where he'd outright say our payroll matures as our players do, mentioning McCutchen by name as a guy we'll be paying.
    They have been working pretty hard at not only turning this organization around and building it the right way but also things here and there to try and bring a positive to the name of bob Nutting. Neal Huntington doesn't mention the Draft without talking about how much they spend and dropping Bob Nutting's name into the conversation.

    There's no way that McCutchen doesn't sign an extension.
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    Oh yeah, I forgot about kendall and his $10 mill/season. It'll be interesting to see what it ends up being, but I hope it ends up buying out a couple years of free agency.
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    Oh yeah, I forgot about kendall and his $10 mill/season. It'll be interesting to see what it ends up being, but I hope it ends up buying out a couple years of free agency.
    And that was in 2000.

    I'd have to find the thread but I swear someone like Jnn had mentioned some good comparables to what someone like McCutchen should get which I can't seem to remember at all right now
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    Default Re: McCutchen, Bucs no closer on contract extension

    Found it ..

    Some recent extensions:

    For a pre-arb year, 3 arb years, and 2 FA years Justin Upton got $51.25 million. At the time he signed he had a 112 OPS+ through 1157 PA and was going into his age 22 season.

    For 4 arb years (Super Two) and 2 FA years Jay Bruce got $49.75 million plus a $13 million option with a $1 million buyout for a 7th year. At the time he signed he had a 110 OPS+ through 1412 PA and was going into his age 24 season.

    For a pre-arb year, 3 arb years, and 3 FA years Carlos Gonzalez got $80 million. At the time he signed he had a 119 OPS+ through 1269 PA and was going into his age 25 season. One monster year (at Coors Field) managed to get CarGo an extra $30 million for signing away one more year.

    Right now McCutchen has a 119 OPS+ through 1264 PA. He's in his age 24 season. Cutch doesn't have the flashy HR season yet, though.
    Jay Bruce is a decent comparison. He's got more power but career wise to this point, less of a hitter, less OPS. He signed for a little bit over $8 million per ($51 for 6 seasons)

    I personally like 6 years or anything that takes Cutch to the age of 30.
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    Default Re: McCutchen, Bucs no closer on contract extension

    I can imagine the deal will being completed in the offseason. I just don't see a deal getting done during the season except for completing the preliminaries of the deal itself.
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    I can imagine the deal will being completed in the offseason. I just don't see a deal getting done during the season except for completing the preliminaries of the deal itself.
    That's the way I feel too. It seems rare to see contract extensions for Pittsburgh sports teams occur during a season. At the *** end or very beginning you tend to see it but that seems like it.
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