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    This is not to say Pedro will be Reggie Jackson. Far from it. The only reason Reggie came into my mind though is because yesterday afternoon his 'Sportscentury' was replayed on ESPN Classic.

    Anyway, check out his stats:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...acksre01.shtml

    He led the league in whiffs his first 4 full years in the bigs and had pedestrian BA's. He really had pedestrian BA's his whole career. He was also clearly amongst the league leader's in whiffs each year too.

    His first full year in the bigs,: He had 29 homers, a .250 BA, and 171 K's in 553 AB's.

    Pedro, right now after 482 AB's, has a .243 average, 166 K's, and 18 HR's. His numbers aren't all that far off. No, they're not identical (he'll have more whiffs, but a close BA and likely within range HR's), but they're similar.

    What I'm getting at is this, a lot of big time sluggers, Reggie here specifically, whiff a ton. It's a lot of feast or famine with these guys.

    They sometimes have some slow starts to their career too after doing well in college and the minors (see Reggie's stats in college/minors also which are closely in line with Pedro's).

    Pedro isn't above criticism, but in no way should anyone give up on him or say he's a bust. He doesn't even have enough AB's for one full year.

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    It's a decent comparison except for the huge dropoff in power numbers for Pedro, from last year to this. I know the league has adjusted to him, and he needs to "adjust back" but wouldn't one at least expect to see a few doubles and HR's? It's problematic ....

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    It's a decent comparison except for the huge dropoff in power numbers for Pedro, from last year to this. I know the league has adjusted to him, and he needs to "adjust back" but wouldn't one at least expect to see a few doubles and HR's? It's problematic ....

    Sure, and I don't necessarily disagree, but one horrid 6 week stretch (which is all April and 1/2 May really is) over the course of a career that's less than one full year old isn't enough for me to write him off.

    Be a bit concerned? Yes. Criticize him a bit? Of course. Write him off or be done with him? No way.

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    I didn't see anything resembling an "improved Pedro" last night, even feeling that his swing--especially against the lefty--were pedestrian, tepid, almost indifferent.

    Pedro should take "Rock's" TV delivered advice, "see the ball, swing at the ball" and put your hat behind your ears, *******!.

    Sorry, but Rendon--whom I wanted at #1 this year--really would look good in our organization.

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    I didn't see anything resembling an "improved Pedro" last night, even feeling that his swing--especially against the lefty--were pedestrian, tepid, almost indifferent.

    Pedro should take "Rock's" TV delivered advice, "see the ball, swing at the ball" and put your hat behind your ears, *******!.

    Sorry, but Rendon--whom I wanted at #1 this year--really would look good in our organization.

    Ok, and his swings in Monday night's game were much improved.

    So one bad game and one good game?

    How's that different than any other ML'er?

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    The guy just made it back up here give him a little adjustment time at least. He looked terrible last night sure but I thought he wad decent defensively at least. I might watch again tonight I dunno why but I don't even like watching the Bucs without Pedro in there. He may or may not do anything but we don't have many better options at this point. I think the Bucs do want a big bat in here but I don't think the rest of the league is as impressed by them as we are in Pittsburgh. No one is going to want to come here. Their best option is to take a chance on someone and that hardly ever works out here. Let the kid play.

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    Hey he's on a 3 game hitting streak since he's been back.

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    Sure, and I don't necessarily disagree, but one horrid 6 week stretch (which is all April and 1/2 May really is) over the course of a career that's less than one full year old isn't enough for me to write him off.

    Be a bit concerned? Yes. Criticize him a bit? Of course. Write him off or be done with him? No way.
    Agree. Plus it's not exactly easy coming up against Atlanta pitching (and then Philly), which might be why they prefered to keep him down awhile longer.

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    All nice talk but the Pirates need Pedro NOW - not next year and the year after when this cast of minor leaguers returns to form while the organization waits for their "prospects" to mature.

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    where would the Pirates be if they gave up on Karstens...the guy was less than stellar the past 4 seasons...3-10 last year..four consecutive losing seasons, and an era around 5.

    Morton, up until last night, Morton has been better. was horrible last year.

    Pedro needs some time. hes here, he needs to play.

    much like most of us agree, we should not be trading young players away for rent a players, we need to stick with Pedro, and let him play.
    Jeezus, look how much rope they have give Overbay.

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    He just owned Cliff Lee and put them back in the game. That is what you need from Pedro.

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    Even though I was maybe the most vocal one on this board about bringing up Pedro from the minors a week or so ago.....I gotta say, despite the Hr last night,he looks lost at the plate and his bat seems really slow. Hope the new additions provide him some protection,and he gets more hitter friendly situations.
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    Even though I was maybe the most vocal one on this board about bringing up Pedro from the minors a week or so ago.....I gotta say, despite the Hr last night,he looks lost at the plate and his bat seems really slow. Hope the new additions provide him some protection,and he gets more hitter friendly situations.
    4 for 29 i believe since being recalled (.138 batting average).

    Problem with his slow bat is that it wasn't slow at AAA. Again, it's pointless to send him back down to rake in AAA again. Whatever issues Pedro is having, they are all isolated to the MLB level. Whether it's struggling with pitch selection at this level (which has to be it) or putting too much on his shoulders.

    It also hasn't helped either that he came from facing AAA pitching to facing the Braves and Phillies pitching staffs which are Ranked #1 (Phillies) and #3 (Braves) in all of MLB.
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    Pedro is a drag on this team right now. It is best for the Pirates to send him back to AAA. It may not be best for Pedro, but it would be best for the ML club that is flirting with contention right now.

    I'd give Brandon Wood a shot as the regular 3B. Yes, his BA is dismal but he is not an automatic 'K' like Pedro and he is much better defensively. Wood has some power unlike slap hitters Harrison and D'Arnaud.

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    Pedro isn't going back to AAA. Pointless to do so
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