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    Ravens' changes produce 'different offense'
    By Associated Press
    Tuesday, August 2, 2011

    OWINGS MILLS, Md. Ray Rice was so elated over the prospect of running behind All-Pro fullback Vonta Leach, he broke out in song.

    "I'm so excited," Rice sang Monday, delving into the classic Pointer Sisters tune.

    The addition of Leach is the latest in a series of moves over the past seven days that have left the Baltimore Ravens almost unrecognizable. Baltimore launched its first full week of practice Monday without longtime fixtures Todd Heap, Derrick Mason, Le'Ron McClain and Willis McGahee.

    T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Chris Chester and Donte' Stallworth were gone, too, from a unit that averaged 22.3 points per game last season.

    "This is definitely a different offense," wide receiver Anquan Boldin said. "We made some moves, let a couple guys go. We will miss those guys, because when you spend that much time with guys you've been in the fire with, you build a relationship. But we all know this is a business. So it's next man up."

    The defense is also changed. Nose guard Kelly Gregg and cornerbacks Dawan Landry, Josh Wilson and Fabian Washington have all signed with other teams.

    The overhaul came as a result of the reintroduction of the salary cap and a whirlwind free agent signing period that began last week, shortly after the end of the NFL lockout.

    "It's just the way it is," coach John Harbaugh said. "Our goal is to handle it better than anybody else."

    If Baltimore can't adjust, its run of three straight playoff appearances could be jeopardy.

    Heap and McGahee have signed elsewhere, and it appears as if McClain will leave, too. The Ravens hope the 37-year-old Mason will be back, but there is no guarantee.

    No longer will the home fans yell "HEEEEAP!" after the veteran tight end makes a catch. As it stands now, Boldin will be joined by second-year tight end Ed Dickson and rookie Torrey Smith as quarterback Joe Flacco's main targets.

    The offensive line has changed, too. Chester and Jared Gaither are out. Marshal Yanda has moved to right guard and 330-pound rookie Jah Reid is working with the first team at right tackle.

    Regardless of how Reid fares, the running game should be better with Leach in front of Rice. McClain did a decent job last year, but he kept harping about how he wanted to run the ball.

    Leach, signed as a free agent Sunday, is solely an escort. That was his job last year in Houston, where he helped Arian Foster amass an NFL-leading 1,616 yards rushing.

    "He's an amazing fullback," Rice said of Leach. "He lays the wood on people. Everybody knows his reputation, and I just can't wait to follow him. I could probably trip and get 5 yards running behind him. He's all about business and hard work."

    Leach arrived in Baltimore late Monday afternoon and is expected to practice for the first time Tuesday. Running backs coach Wilbert Montgomery can't wait to get started.

    "He is more of a fullback mold. Le'Ron is a two-day guy," Montgomery said. "Vonta is going to attack, attack, attack. It's nice to have him in this division."

    When the Ravens face the Steelers in the Sept. 11 opener, Montgomery will be counting on Leach to bowl over anyone wearing black and gold.

    "You know what? When you bring a guy into the fold like that, the teams in your division pay attention to it," Montgomery said. "Because now it makes it that much harder for them to stop the running game."


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    Can we steal their OC??? A fullback leading the runner. What a pleasant thought.






    Me a Ravens fan? Nevermind. That's just crazy talk.

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    I'd take McClain in a heartbeat.


    Oh,and **** the Ravens.**** them in their stupid asses.

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    I'm now at the point I would at least like to see us having a blocking back on three plays a game. I gave up all hope that BA would ever consider a fullback for Mendyduring the entire game or at least on a normal bases. I never had or ever will have respect for BA.

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    I could really care less about a Fullback anymore. The last 3 Superbowl winning teams do not use fullbacks like the Ravens plan to use theirs. As much as I *****ed and whined about using one, the reality is that you don't need one to win the Superbowl. Maybe to have the beast rushing stats in the NFL but rthe last time I looked, Kansas City, Oakland and Jacksonville (top 3 rushing teams in the NFL last year) weren't exactly models for my desires. Next came the Jets whose running game proved useless against us in the Playoffs. Eagles, Giants and Texans.

    For me, it's easier to stop the run than it is to stop the Pass. We were a respectable !1th ranked running game, averaging 120 yards per and a 4.1 YPC. Some of those numbers slipped as we played musical chairs with Offensive Line personnel after Max Starks got injured but it's a good balance. Healthier mroe consistent line and we are Top 10 in Rushing and with Ben as a QB of our team we were a Top 10 passing team.

    Good enough for me. I don't see a FB helping the Ravens much. Looks like they are going to ball control, game management Offense. It's all a garbage QB like joe Flacco can handle anyways
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    Pack has old John Kuhn. I do think I would rather have a scoring threat on the field. You need to be able to pass in today's NFL to win consistently. I don't even care about yards with the ground game. They need to convert short yardage. If that is with a RB, TE, Lineman as FB. Fine. If you are considering at all becoming a Ravens fan then please. Go.

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    as long as they have Flacco, the Ravens are no threat.
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    I want the fullback for ball control. I always feel at some point in the game you would like to grind the clock out with running, allowing your defense a bit more rest time. It's all about impossing your teams will on the other team when you get the chance or need to do so.

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    We need to have a super potent passing game that can both move the chains and hit the deeper 20 - 30 yard routes as Ben scrambles. Spread the secondary dee and use just enough run game to keep the backers honest. The game has and is changing. Forget style, I want to win.


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    I could really care less about a Fullback anymore. The last 3 Superbowl winning teams do not use fullbacks like the Ravens plan to use theirs. As much as I *****ed and whined about using one, the reality is that you don't need one to win the Superbowl. Maybe to have the beast rushing stats in the NFL but rthe last time I looked, Kansas City, Oakland and Jacksonville (top 3 rushing teams in the NFL last year) weren't exactly models for my desires. Next came the Jets whose running game proved useless against us in the Playoffs. Eagles, Giants and Texans.

    For me, it's easier to stop the run than it is to stop the Pass. We were a respectable !1th ranked running game, averaging 120 yards per and a 4.1 YPC. Some of those numbers slipped as we played musical chairs with Offensive Line personnel after Max Starks got injured but it's a good balance. Healthier mroe consistent line and we are Top 10 in Rushing and with Ben as a QB of our team we were a Top 10 passing team.

    Good enough for me. I don't see a FB helping the Ravens much. Looks like they are going to ball control, game management Offense. It's all a garbage QB like joe Flacco can handle anyways
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    The biggest change I would like to see in the Steelers offense is Ben throwing to the running backs a bit more.
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    I want the fullback for ball control. I always feel at some point in the game you would like to grind the clock out with running, allowing your defense a bit more rest time. It's all about impossing your teams will on the other team when you get the chance or need to do so.
    Exactly my point. Call me old school. What's the best defense that someone can throw at Ben? Blitzing up the wazzoo? Forcing him to scramble? Dbl cover every receiver? Answer is simple: none of the above. Keep him on the bench. Same for our defense. The best schemes they can run is having the offense keep the other teams offense on the bench.

    And I believe it is more important now as the NFL is trying to turn itself into a flag football league. Steeler defenses that simply pummeled the opposition into submission are being weaned out which makes it even more important to control the clock. Flacco to Bouldin is irrelevant if they are both trying to keep their butts warm while sitting on a heated bench.

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    We need to have a super potent passing game that can both move the chains and hit the deeper 20 - 30 yard routes as Ben scrambles. Spread the secondary dee and use just enough run game to keep the backers honest. The game has and is changing. Forget style, I want to win.

    Have you been watching any football since 2007? We have a super potent football team that moves the chains ..

    we just lack the strategy and brains to turn all of that into 6's once we hit the 20 yard line
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    Have you been watching any football since 2007? We have a super potent football team that moves the chains ..

    we just lack the strategy and brains to turn all of that into 6's once we hit the 20 yard line
    Best team ever between the 20s no question.

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    Pack has old John Kuhn. I do think I would rather have a scoring threat on the field. You need to be able to pass in today's NFL to win consistently. I don't even care about yards with the ground game. They need to convert short yardage. If that is with a RB, TE, Lineman as FB. Fine. If you are considering at all becoming a Ravens fan then please. Go.
    and Kuhn isn't used that much nor is their running game. The Steelers are more balanced and gain more on the ground that the Packers anyways

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    I want the fullback for ball control. I always feel at some point in the game you would like to grind the clock out with running, allowing your defense a bit more rest time. It's all about impossing your teams will on the other team when you get the chance or need to do so.
    This is a different and league. Stopping the run is far easier for defenses to do because it's easier to get good Linebackers and Linemen than it is to find the amount of quality defensive backs needed to shut down passing games. The Steelers are a great example of this.

    With the pussification of the rules, how more throwing style offenses are winning Superbowls, the need to "pound the ball" like it's 1993 are over, at least in this era.

    All a regular FB is going to do now is provide people with nostalgia, not really help improve the team in any which way

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    The biggest change I would like to see in the Steelers offense is Ben throwing to the running backs a bit more.
    I'd love this as much as you. It would make us twice as potent offensively, unfortunately, Ben doesn't like to throw short and dump off. Not the type of QB is, he could've added that to his game but Bruce Arians is hell bent on not forcing players to do something they are comfrotable with and Ben is far too mature as a player now to try this. He might develop it later when his downfield game or scrambling ability decline, but right now, I don't see a shorter passing game developing even if it would really help the Offense

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    Exactly my point. Call me old school. What's the best defense that someone can throw at Ben? Blitzing up the wazzoo? Forcing him to scramble? Dbl cover every receiver? Answer is simple: none of the above. Keep him on the bench. Same for our defense. The best schemes they can run is having the offense keep the other teams offense on the bench.
    I understand what you're saying, but pound them and bruise them run games are really a thing of yesterday and for some teams, they are an indication of a lack of faith in their QB (Flacco, Sanchez). If we are going to employ another RB on the field, it should be a scat back variety with good hands to spread out defenses. I am of the belief that it's easier to stop the run than it is to stop the pass. If we face a team that sucks against the run, we have the potential without a FB to rack up yards and TOP on them. There's just more better run stopping teams, especially playoff caliber than there are pass stopping teams and mainly because there's not come an answer for stopping spread type offenses
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    Best team ever between the 20s no question.
    We need 2 OC's. Keep arians to move the ball between the 20's and bring in another to call plays in the Red Zone
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