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    "When asked if the Pirates are likely to make a Rule 5 selection, Huntington remained noncommittal. "It's a possibility," Huntington said. "Not a definite. We feel like we've enjoyed some success in the last few Rule 5s and still have some time to evaluate rosters. If there's a luxury of picking second, it's that if there are two players we like, we can create the roster spot."
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    Vlad at Bucs Dugout offers up his suggestions:

    Yohan Pino , RHSP, 6'3'', 158 lbs, born 12/26/83, Cleveland's system.
    Finesse pitchers sometimes experience diminishing returns with promotion, but I think Pino is a fairly good bet to succeed in the majors, insofar as his component rates have remained strong against more advanced competition (8.6 K/9, 2.1 BB/9, 0.6 HR/9 in 127 IP this year, mostly at AAA). He does not have a star-level ceiling, which might turn off a front office that reached for the sky with Veal last year, but I think he could do well at the back end of a rotation or in a bullpen for a number of years, and he would be useful right away.

    Aneury Rodriguez , RHSP, 6'3", 180 lbs, born 12/13/1987, Tampa Bay's system. Rodriguez has more upper-minors experience than some "live arm" picks, having spent all of 2009 in the rotation of AA Montgomery, but at this point he is probably not ready to compete in the majors, and would likely need to be hidden in a Vogelsong-type role of multi-inning low-leverage situations. He has some weaknesses typical of young pitchers, including a tendency to overthrow, and he could be frustrating to watch next season. Still, he has the potential to be a relatively high-value option down the road, occupying a spot in our rotation in late 2011 or 2012.

    Cole Rohrbough , LHSP, 6'3'', 205 lbs., born 5/23/87, Atlanta's system.
    Rohrbough is fairly raw, with no experience above A+ and inconsistent mechanics. He would probably need to be hidden like Veal was last year. There's a fairly high chance that he'll be a bust, but there's also a very high ceiling here - he could be a front-of-the-rotation starter if everything goes right. The team's success with a similar type of pitcher in Veal last year may encourage them to go back to the same well once more with Rohrbough, and we certainly have a need for lefty power arms.

    John Raynor , R/R CF, 6'2'', 185 lbs., born 1/4/84, Florida's system.
    The Pirates don't have a crying need for outfielders, but you never say "no" to talent, and it's not a ludicrous fit. Our backup CF from last season (Salazar) is a free agent, and Gorkys is probably at least a year away from being ready for the majors. We could carry Raynor as our fifth outfielder and use him as a PH/PR, a caddy for Cutch, and a late-inning defensive replacement if Garrett Jones ends up as the starting RF. In time, he could develop into a Nyjer-like player if everything goes right, though he'll need to put in a lot of work for that to happen.

    Bucs Dugout has a lot more info on each of these players at the link:

    http://www.bucsdugout.com/2009/11/20...ties#storyjump

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    Below are the Pirates players eligible to be selected.

    If Erik Kratz is selected, that could be trouble. Now that Diaz is gone, Kratz is the third/emergency catcher. With glass man Doumit as the top catcher, the third guys is gonna be important.

    This is a situation that bears watching, IMO.



    "Eligible from Previous Drafts

    Jean Machi
    Erik Kratz
    Kyle Bloom
    Derek Hankins
    Moises Robles
    Jeff Corsaletti
    Ciro Rosero
    Rafael De Los Santos
    Adenson Chourio
    Bradley Clapp
    Justin Thomas
    Jeff Karstens

    Eligible for the first time in 2009

    Michael Crotta
    Michael Dubee
    Jared Hughes
    Miles Durham
    Shelby Ford
    Jim Negrych
    R.J. Rodriguez
    Matt McSwain
    Kris Watts
    Jose de los Santos
    Alex Presley
    Casey Erickson
    Melkin Laureano
    Wilson Ortiz
    Michael Felix
    Ricardo Paulino
    Deybis Benitez
    Carlos Silva
    Gerardo Esparza
    Andres Santos
    Henry Henry"


    Read more: http://www.buccofans.com/#ixzz0XW2cGzCS

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    Rohrbough and Rodriguez are both young...giving you plenty of time to season them if you could stand having them on the MLB roster for a full season.
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    BuccoFans has a pretty good group of links to team by team information on the Rule 5. Some of them are from before rosters were set, and a couple teams are missing, but it's a good place for reference. Here are some players who are definitely eligible who I think are interesting. Not necessarily guys I'd pick up, but have some potential to be taken by someone.
    http://www.buccofans.com/2009/11/mlb...e-players.html

    Arizona:
    RHP Matt Torra - AA. Former 1st round pick, struggled after labrum surgery. Power FB and curve, sinker.

    Atlanta:
    LHP Cole Rohrbough A+
    LHP Edgar Osuna AA
    LHP Jose Ortegano AA
    Rohrbough is the one with the best stuff by far in this group, but the other two are guys who could possibly stick around as relievers. Ortegano has the better numbers against lefties.

    Baltimore:
    RHP Steve Johnson AA
    RHP Josh Perrault AAA
    Both of these guys are fairly interesting to me, both seem like maybe MLB ready bullpen arms. Perrault has put up solid, but unspectacular numbers everywhere he's gone, while Johnson has shown some improvement over time and consistently puts up good K numbers.

    Boston:
    OF Zach Daeges AAA
    Barely played in AAA this year due to injury. Was an OBP machine with decent power at the lower levels.

    Cincinnati:
    LHP Alex Smit AA
    OF/1B Danny Dorn AAA
    Smit's a 24 year old with good K numbers, but struggles with command. Dorn's a left handed bat who's shown some power, and decent enough plate discipline.

    Cleveland:
    C/1B/OF Matt McBride AA
    LHP Chuck Lofgren AAA
    RHP Yohan Pino AAA
    McBride took time away from the plate most of this season due to a shoulder injury. Was a pretty good combination of offense and defense at the catcher position before that. He just had a very good AFL season catching. Lofgren's a former top prospect with decent velocity and a nice slow curve, but he's now spent parts of 3 years in AA and has struggled at AAA. Pino joined the Indians organization through the Pavano trade from the Twins. He was considered a very good prospect early on, but struggled after a foot injury. He's shown flashes that his stuff is coming back, and he has the potential to be a good major league pitcher. Doesn't throw hard, but manages to put up K numbers due to his great offspeed stuff.


    Colorado:
    OF Cole Garner AA
    RHP Craig Baker A+
    Garner's put up decent OPS numbers as he's climbed the minors 1 level at a time, but has had big time strikeout problems. Baker has very good numbers at the lower levels, but is going to be 25 before next season and hasn't pitched above A+. Probably not a great sign.

    Detroit:
    RHP Brett Jensen AA
    6'7 righty who is already 26. Repeated AA this year and put up solid numbers. Probably not the best option out there.

    Houston:
    OF Drew Locke AA
    Monster season in AA at age 26. Will be 27 before the spring. Not sure about him.

    New York (AL)
    RHP George Kontos AAA
    SS Eduardo Nunez AA
    2B Kevin Russo AAA
    RHP Kanekoa Texeira
    Kontos is one of the guys originally in the Nady trade who was replaced by either Karstens or McCutchen. He's put up great K numbers everywhere he's pitched, but is coming off Tommy John surgery and won't be ready until April or May. Probably hurts Rule 5 status, but maybe it helps keep him hidden.
    Nunez is a guy who hits for average and has some extra base power from the middle infield. Doesn't seem to be a great defender, though. Only 22 years old. Russo's played all over the field and has hit pretty well for average. Could catch on as a utility guy somewhere.
    Texeira's pitched very well in the low minors. Very low ERA and decent peripherals.

    Oakland:
    C Anthony Recker AAA
    Solid hitter and defender. Could win a backup job somewhere.

    Seattle:
    OF Carlos Peguero A+
    Huge power numbers, but they came in High Desert, the most extreme hitters park in the minors. Strikes out a ton and improved his walk numbers a bit this year. Only 23 in February.

    Tampa Bay:
    RHP Aneury Rodriguez AA
    Has a great arm, but hasn't posted great numbers anywhere. Teams always like the great arms, though.

    Texas:
    1B Chad Tracy AA
    24 year old hit 26 HR in the Texas League this year. Right handed bat at 1B.

    Washington:
    RHP Josh Wilkie
    Coming off a very good season split between AA and AAA. Already being used as a reliever, could be ready to give a major league bullpen a shot.

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    Turns out I made two mistakes there, both with the Yankees players. 2B Kevin Russo and SS Eduardo Nunez were both added to their 40 man on Friday but I missed it. Can't edit the post anymore, but cross those ones out.

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    So would Rohrbaugh be worth a look? His name has come in several trade talks and the talk is he's got good stuff. Is it possible to keep another pitcher through a season and use him sparingly?

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    So would Rohrbaugh be worth a look? His name has come in several trade talks and the talk is he's got good stuff. Is it possible to keep another pitcher through a season and use him sparingly?
    I was just looking a few things up and I realized that I don't think Rohrbough is actually eligible. Something must have gotten mixed up somewhere, because I've seen him listed on a couple different sites. He was a draft and follow in 2006 who signed in 2007, which means his clock for Rule 5 didn't start until 2007. He shouldn't be eligible until next year.

    Here's the Baseball America list:

    RHP Aaron Breit (Padres)
    RHP Arquimedes Caminero (Marlins)
    RHP Yohan Pino (Indians)
    RHP Edgar Garcia (Phillies)
    RHP Kevin Whelan (Yankees)
    C/IF Robinson Chirinos (Cubs)
    2B Henry Garcia (Phillies)
    OF Colin Curtis (Yankees)
    OF Mike McBryde (Giants)
    1B Chad Tracy (Rangers) - JIM TRACY'S SON!!!!

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    Yohan Pino is pretty intriguing. 25-26 year old pitcher that produced decent numbers at AA and AAA last year. Not only good ERA but really good WHIP numbers as well. Good control and slightly above average K/9 numbers.

    He's the most intriguing to me out of all of those pitchers cause he's actually decent without control issues and provides depth and help in the high minors where we are pretty slim with decent pitching if I remember correctly. We seem to be filled pretty nicely below AAA

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    Keith Law said that a name that's been picking up steam is Bobby Cassevah out of the Angels system. He's also had control issues, but this year he put up a completely ridiculous 70.3% groundball rate.

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