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    Default Penguins want Gonchar long-term

    November 29, 2009 // 10:03am ET
    Penguins want Gonchar long-term
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    Pittsburgh defenseman Sergei Gonchar is in the final year of his current contract and the Penguins would like to get him signed to a new contract.
    However, the Ottawa Sun reports the Penguins have put contract talks on hold.

    According to the paper, the two sides haven't been able to determine a dollar figure that fits under the Penguins salary cap.

    Gonchar, 35, is making $5 million this season and the Sun claims he could command at least $6 million on the free agent market.

    Sources have told TFP that Gonchar would be willing to sign for less, or close to the same amount, that he is making this year if he's locked up to a multi-year extension.

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    I hope we keep him, SFB. But I don't think he's gonna be worth close to 5 mill for a long contract. And with his injury problems, maybe not even now.

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    He may have $5 mil left in him for a year or two, but that's about it. If the contract is structured in the right way, it could be worth it. Front load it in a reasonable way and see if he bites. Of course, it also depends on how many years the guy really wants, and how well Letang and Goligoski develop this year.

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    He may have $5 mil left in him for a year or two, but that's about it. If the contract is structured in the right way, it could be worth it. Front load it in a reasonable way and see if he bites. Of course, it also depends on how many years the guy really wants, and how well Letang and Goligoski develop this year.
    I agree with this. Front load it, give him something like 3 year $14 million where he gets $6 million per in the first 2 year and $2 million in his last year. By that point he'll be what? 38 years old or something like that? His cap hit will end up being less than it is now.

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    I agree with this. Front load it, give him something like 3 year $14 million where he gets $6 million per in the first 2 year and $2 million in his last year. By that point he'll be what? 38 years old or something like that? His cap hit will end up being less than it is now.
    I don't think he's going to insist on 6 mill for any years. I do think maybe 5 for another year or two is worth it. Then a mill per after that. And then a private agreement to coach the dmen for as long as he wishes.

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    I agree with the front load also, but he wants long term, so lets just say for example 5 years, maybe give him $20 mill for 5, but the first 2 years $5 mill, then the maybe the 3rd year be $4mill, then the last 2 years be $3mill.
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    Hope they do sign him and keep him around. We're a different team with him on the ice that's for sure.
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    Hope they do sign him and keep him around. We're a different team with him on the ice that's for sure.
    No question. But for how much longer? And he seems to be more brittle than he used to be.

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    I love Gonchar, but I wanna wait and see how Letang and Gogo (and even Engelland)develope this season. Maybe the Pens can move forward with out him? Spend the $5 million elsewhere. But if the young defensemen aren't ready to step up... go ahead and re-sign him. But not more than $5mil and no longer than 3 years. (Still risky!)

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    No question. But for how much longer? And he seems to be more brittle than he used to be.
    I wouldn't do a contract shorter than 3-4 years (mostly b/c I think the longer you extend it out with a smaller dollar figure after the initial 2 years the lower the cap hit).
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    I love Gonchar, but I wanna wait and see how Letang and Gogo (and even Engelland)develope this season. Maybe the Pens can move forward with out him? Spend the $5 million elsewhere. But if the young defensemen aren't ready to step up... go ahead and re-sign him. But not more than $5mil and no longer than 3 years. (Still risky!)
    Even if Letang and Goligoski are "ready"...this team still needs Gonchar.
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    I don't think he's going to insist on 6 mill for any years. I do think maybe 5 for another year or two is worth it. Then a mill per after that. And then a private agreement to coach the dmen for as long as he wishes.
    It's more about averages and such. Say he doesn't want $6 million per, the thing is, you don't want to be paying Gonch a buttload of money when he's 38 years old so you give him a little more on a front loaded contract, less at the end and kee[p the average per year down to a reasonable number under the cap.

    Basically you're both manipulating the cap like the Flyers did with Pronger, the Hawks did with Hossa by getting you a nicer cap number but you are also eliminating a hit money/value wise on a guy that will be pretty **** old at the end of his contract.

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    I wouldn't do a contract shorter than 3-4 years (mostly b/c I think the longer you extend it out with a smaller dollar figure after the initial 2 years the lower the cap hit).
    It depends on how the contract is structured. It could be a 3 year deal that's front loaded like crazy but the cap hit could be a couple million below that. I mean look at Hossa. His cap hit is something like $5.2 or $5.7 can't remember which one, but he's going to make something ridiculously in the beginning of this contract over $7 million per

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    It depends on how the contract is structured. It could be a 3 year deal that's front loaded like crazy but the cap hit could be a couple million below that. I mean look at Hossa. His cap hit is something like $5.2 or $5.7 can't remember which one, but he's going to make something ridiculously in the beginning of this contract over $7 million per
    I think I'd like to see a 5 year deal

    2010 6 M
    2011 5 M
    2012 3 M
    2013 1.5 M
    2014 1.5 M
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    17M total

    I like what Detroit has done with their players. Extend them LONGGG term...make the cap value smaller...AND if they retire you dont have a cap hit at all.

    The 5 year deal would put him, age wise, right where Nick Lidstrom is now.
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    I think I'd like to see a 5 year deal

    2010 6 M
    2011 5 M
    2012 3 M
    2013 1.5 M
    2014 1.5 M
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    17M total

    I like what Detroit has done with their players. Extend them LONGGG term...make the cap value smaller...AND if they retire you dont have a cap hit at all.

    The 5 year deal would put him, age wise, right where Nick Lidstrom is now.
    As I'm thinking *now*, I'd have no problem with a deal like that. Cap hit would be a little over $3 million per, front loaded. just a matter of what Gonch wants

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