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    Default Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

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    Best of the rest (6-15 range)

    Braves: Depth took a hit in '09, but outfielder Jason Heyward lifts system himself.

    Brewers: Alcides Escobar (still barely eligible), '09 draft pitchers keep Milwaukee strong.

    Marlins: Still thin on arms, but Florida's bats, led by OF Mike Stanton, still impress.

    Orioles: If Josh Bell and Brandon Snyder are legit corner IF bats, O's could be interesting.

    Pirates: Impressive depth behind top prospects Pedro Alvarez, Tony Sanchez.

    Red Sox: System is very young, but SS/RHP Casey Kelly, OF Ryan Westmoreland could be special.

    Rockies: Four impact pitching prospects, led by '09 first-rounder Tyler Matzek.

    Royals: Excellent top-level pitching supplemented by strong '09 draft class.

    Twins: Solid upper-level hitters aided by influx of draft and international talent in '08.

    Yankees: Slugging catcher Jesus Montero ranks among minors' best hitters.

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

    I love how poorly the rest of the division ranked. The Cubs and Reds were in the 16-25 group, the Cardinals and Astros were the two worst in the entire league. It's just Pirates-Brewers for the best in the division.

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    I love how poorly the rest of the division ranked. The Cubs and Reds were in the 16-25 group, the Cardinals and Astros were the two worst in the entire league. It's just Pirates-Brewers for the best in the division.
    Which would be good if the cubs, cardinals and astros didn't have money

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    Which would be good if the cubs, cardinals and astros didn't have money
    This is true. THey can afford to buy players we cant to help them compete.
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    This is true. THey can afford to buy players we cant to help them compete.
    Yup. So while smaller market, lower revenue teams like the Pirates have to operate with very small margin of error from scouting, evaluating, drafting, developing, signing and spending of money, teams like the Cubs etc... can just throw around their money and get quick fixes, do less work and get more success due to the larger market they just happen to be in.

    That has always been my biggest ***** about baseball's ****ed up economics

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    I love how poorly the rest of the division ranked. The Cubs and Reds were in the 16-25 group, the Cardinals and Astros were the two worst in the entire league. It's just Pirates-Brewers for the best in the division.
    The Pirate system is better than it has been in recent years but by no means in great shape. They have no impact bats in their system other than PA. That has to be addressed this draft.

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    The Pirate system is better than it has been in recent years but by no means in great shape. They have no impact bats in their system other than PA. That has to be addressed this draft.
    Agreed. Power is definitely needed, however though, the 2 year turnaround with the system has been pretty remarkable. Tough to sort of stock every need in that period of time but we're getting closer to having a pretty fairly healthy minor league system, which is a nice change

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

    A premiere top of the rotation arm wouldn't hurt either.

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    A premiere top of the rotation arm wouldn't hurt either.
    A guy like Von Rosenberg or Cain might prove to be just that in the long run... hopefully. They have the potential and upside. If Tim Alderson can regain some of that lost velocity, perhaps he has top of the rotation type of stuff. "Premiere" is smething that'll probably have to be proven at the MLB level

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

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    Agreed. Power is definitely needed, however though, the 2 year turnaround with the system has been pretty remarkable. Tough to sort of stock every need in that period of time but we're getting closer to having a pretty fairly healthy minor league system, which is a nice change
    The majority of the Pirate top talent is way down in A ball. So the majority of the Pirate top talent still has a lot to prove.

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

    Guys like Sanchez, D'arnaud, marte, and Grossman could all still crash and burn. At the top you really only have Tabata and Pedro. Gorkys is in AA but he also has much to prove.

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

    Hey, it's a start.

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

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    The majority of the Pirate top talent is way down in A ball. So the majority of the Pirate top talent still has a lot to prove.
    Very true. At least we have an intriguing "Top" in the lower minors. Something we tended to lack during the DL years

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    Guys like Sanchez, D'arnaud, marte, and Grossman could all still crash and burn. At the top you really only have Tabata and Pedro. Gorkys is in AA but he also has much to prove.
    Anyone and everyone in any minor league system could crash and burn and that's not including guys that look great in the minors in any system and then crash and burn when they hit the Majors.

    IMO that's just all stuff that one can't be concerned about. It could happen with any team

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    Default Re: Manuel Ranks Pirates System 6-15

    I agree that anyone can crash and burn. The % of legit prospects in A ball crashing is very high. The nice thing is there are a number of legit prospects whereas in the past those numbers were quite low.

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