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    The Pirates' weekend release of reliever Phil Dumatrait came not only because the team wanted to clear a 40-man roster spot but also because of a dispute over minor league salary, according to Dumatrait's agent, Paul Cobbe.

    The team had sought to remove Dumatrait from the 40-man and, in return, offered a guaranteed minor league wage that was far lower than what Dumatrait could have made if he stayed on the roster and made the team out of spring training. Dumatrait apparently was willing to take a chance that he would make the team -- the Pirates are almost completely bereft of left-handed relievers -- and, thus, declined to come off the roster. So, the Pirates non-tendered him and allowed him to become a free agent.

    [HIGH-LIGHT]"Management did not want to risk the money associated with Phil in the minor leagues," Cobbe said. "He really likes Pittsburgh. He just did not want to agree to take himself off the roster. Too bad that this is all over minor league salary."[/HIGH-LIGHT]
    The figures in dispute were not divulged. A minor league salary, except in rare circumstances, is less than $100,000.

    Dumatrait, 28, had a 6.92 ERA in 15 late-season appearances after missing more than a year to shoulder surgery. The previous year, he had a 5.26 ERA in 21 appearances, including a six-week stretch during which he was the Pirates' best starter. That came shortly before his shoulder injury.

    Dumatrait had been one of two left-handed relievers on the 40-man roster. Now, the only one is Donnie Veal, and he will be groomed as a starter in the minors.

    On the night Dumatrait and Matt Capps were released, general manager Neal Huntington issued this statement: "We attempted to reach agreement with both Matt and Phil prior to the deadline. Each player preferred to explore free agency. We have not closed any doors but will begin immediately to explore other opportunities to improve our bullpen."

    I know, I know The Pirates' weekend release of reliever Phil Dumatrait came not only because the team wanted to clear a 40-man roster spot but also because of a dispute over minor league salary, according to Dumatrait's agent, Paul Cobbe.

    The team had sought to remove Dumatrait from the 40-man and, in return, offered a guaranteed minor league wage that was far lower than what Dumatrait could have made if he stayed on the roster and made the team out of spring training. Dumatrait apparently was willing to take a chance that he would make the team -- the Pirates are almost completely bereft of left-handed relievers -- and, thus, declined to come off the roster. So, the Pirates non-tendered him and allowed him to become a free agent.

    "Management did not want to risk the money associated with Phil in the minor leagues," Cobbe said. "He really likes Pittsburgh. He just did not want to agree to take himself off the roster. Too bad that this is all over minor league salary."

    The figures in dispute were not divulged. A minor league salary, except in rare circumstances, is less than $100,000.

    Dumatrait, 28, had a 6.92 ERA in 15 late-season appearances after missing more than a year to shoulder surgery. The previous year, he had a 5.26 ERA in 21 appearances, including a six-week stretch during which he was the Pirates' best starter. That came shortly before his shoulder injury.

    Dumatrait had been one of two left-handed relievers on the 40-man roster. Now, the only one is Donnie Veal, and he will be groomed as a starter in the minors.

    On the night Dumatrait and Matt Capps were released, general manager Neal Huntington issued this statement: "We attempted to reach agreement with both Matt and Phil prior to the deadline. Each player preferred to explore free agency. We have not closed any doors but will begin immediately to explore other opportunities to improve our bullpen."

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    I know, I know Dumatrait wasn't worth a minor league salary If you guys can't see a pattern forming then you all are blind!

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    Default Re: Pirates non tender Dumatrait over a minor league salary

    It started because they didn't want him on the 40 man.

    Is that so terrible?

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    Default Re: Pirates non tender Dumatrait over a minor league salary

    This guy has been the suck since the beginning. I recall people lobbying for him to be one of the answers on the pitching staff. BAAAHAHAHAHHHA!!!! **** Dumatrait. Bye Bye.

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    great now who are we going to use to keep the DL warm

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    It started because they didn't want him on the 40 man.

    Is that so terrible?

    That's bogus....Dumatrait could come off any time another player is acquired.

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    Default Re: Pirates non tender Dumatrait over a minor league salary

    That article is not very well researched. Probably should have looked to a source other than Dumatrait's agent. This one really isn't hard to explain at all. Dumatrait is out of options. If he was on the 40 man roster Dumatrait would have to either be on the major league roster or be designated for assignment at the end of spring training. If Dumatrait got injured (which is a legitimate concern for a guy with his history) while still on the roster the Pirates would be on the hook for a major league salary for him. They wanted to dump him from the 40 man and bring him back on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training most likely. That's probably all a pitcher like Dumatrait should be getting at this point.

    They did the exact same thing to Virgil Vasquez just a few weeks ago and it wasn't a big deal at all because no one tried to make it one. These moves happen all the time.

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    That article is not very well researched. Probably should have looked to a source other than Dumatrait's agent. This one really isn't hard to explain at all. Dumatrait is out of options. If he was on the 40 man roster Dumatrait would have to either be on the major league roster or be designated for assignment at the end of spring training. If Dumatrait got injured (which is a legitimate concern for a guy with his history) while still on the roster the Pirates would be on the hook for a major league salary for him. They wanted to dump him from the 40 man and bring him back on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training most likely. That's probably all a pitcher like Dumatrait should be getting at this point.

    They did the exact same thing to Virgil Vasquez just a few weeks ago and it wasn't a big deal at all because no one tried to make it one. These moves happen all the time.
    If the Pirates had injury concerns about Dumatrait or his ability they would have dumped him long ago not at the non tender deadline. As moves go I agree this one isn't a big deal other than the fact he is the only LH'er in organization who is close to being a ML'er. Just to add the Pirates do save money by bringing a player to ST on a minor league contract vs a major league deal.

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    I think everyone is making too big a deal over these moves. Capps and Dumatrait both ****ING SUCKED!!!!! Plus, we already knew our 40 man roster was filled up, we had to dump someone somewhere. If either one of these guys ever amounts to the scum found under a piece of ****, then I will be upset...but I highly doubt that will happen.
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    I think everyone is making too big a deal over these moves. Capps and Dumatrait both ****ING SUCKED!!!!! Plus, we already knew our 40 man roster was filled up, we had to dump someone somewhere. If either one of these guys ever amounts to the scum found under a piece of ****, then I will be upset...but I highly doubt that will happen.
    Bingo... again.

    Through the course of 2009.. Capps was ripped up and down about how bad he was. People called for him to be benched, released, traded for a bag of balls.

    Now, both are let go, and all of a sudden Capps is a "asset to the team" that we should not just give away

    And, we know that if Capps HAD been traded for a couple prospects... there would be *****ing at that too.

    I know so far the FO has not put the winner we were expecting on the field, but, it really gets tiring analyzing and over-analyzing every freaking move and comment that the FO makes.

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    Capps is the 12th pitcher on most teams and Dumy is 'AAA' feeder at best.

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    That article is not very well researched. Probably should have looked to a source other than Dumatrait's agent. This one really isn't hard to explain at all. Dumatrait is out of options. If he was on the 40 man roster Dumatrait would have to either be on the major league roster or be designated for assignment at the end of spring training. If Dumatrait got injured (which is a legitimate concern for a guy with his history) while still on the roster the Pirates would be on the hook for a major league salary for him. They wanted to dump him from the 40 man and bring him back on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training most likely. That's probably all a pitcher like Dumatrait should be getting at this point.

    They did the exact same thing to Virgil Vasquez just a few weeks ago and it wasn't a big deal at all because no one tried to make it one. These moves happen all the time.
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    I think Capps and Dumatrait are two totally separate issues. Capps was an asset - an experienced 26-yr closer with some good years under his belt who has 12 teams trying to sign him now that he is a free agent - that the Pirates let go because of money. No other answer that makes sense as to why they just let him go except they did not want to risk paying what an arbitrator decided was "fair (at least as compared to what they offered). In fact, that is basically their stated rationale.

    Dumatrait stinks. His agent heard the turmoil caused by teh Capps bs and tried to stir the pot and make his client seem more attractive to other. I hate the Capps nontender but agree entirely with the Dumatrait one.

    Also, for those who suggest that no one should have an opinion about moves involving the likes of Capps and Dumatrait because they suck, it bears noting that Capps was one of teh building blocks for the Pirates two seasons ago. If we cannot talk about his release, we cannot talk about the Pirates. I guess we could debate what the Bucs could give up for Halladay and Lee, but that would be pointless, futile and depressing.

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    I think Capps and Dumatrait are two totally separate issues. Capps was an asset - an experienced 26-yr closer with some good years under his belt who has 12 teams trying to sign him now that he is a free agent - that the Pirates let go because of money. No other answer that makes sense as to why they just let him go except they did not want to risk paying what an arbitrator decided was "fair (at least as compared to what they offered). In fact, that is basically their stated rationale.

    Dumatrait stinks. His agent heard the turmoil caused by teh Capps bs and tried to stir the pot and make his client seem more attractive to other. I hate the Capps nontender but agree entirely with the Dumatrait one.

    Also, for those who suggest that no one should have an opinion about moves involving the likes of Capps and Dumatrait because they suck, it bears noting that Capps was one of teh building blocks for the Pirates two seasons ago. If we cannot talk about his release, we cannot talk about the Pirates. I guess we could debate what the Bucs could give up for Halladay and Lee, but that would be pointless, futile and depressing.
    Capps has 12 teams asking about him. That doesn't mean ****. The Pirates ask about a lot of players too, but the interest is generally very little. I'd expect that more than half of those 12 teams fall into that same category. Then take half of those remaining teams that will deem Capps' price tag too high for a guy that has a terrible slider,and no movement on his fastball that had an awful year and hasn't looked good since before his 2008 injury.... That leaves you with probably 1-3 teams that might really be interested in Matt Caps and probably 0-1 that are interested in him as a seriously closer

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