Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 39

Thread: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

      
  1. #1
    buccoray61's Avatar
    Status : buccoray61 is offline
    Rank : The Elite
    Join Date : Oct 11, 2009
    Posts : 3,885
    Threads : 691
    Last Online : Apr-03-2017 @ 06:56 AM

    Default Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats
    Former closer gets one year, $3.5 million, more than Pirates' final offer
    Thursday, December 24, 2009
    By Dejan Kovacevic, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
    Matt Capps, the Pirates' recently released closer, formally is gone, but the team is engaged in talks with two possible replacements in free agents Kevin Gregg and Octavio Dotel.

    Early this morning, Capps agreed to terms with Washington on a one-year contract worth $3.5 million, choosing the Nationals over the Chicago Cubs and New York Mets, the latter a late entry to the process. Capps also can make $425,000 in performance bonuses based on games finished.

    The Pirates essentially conceded earlier in the week that Capps would not take their last, best offer to him as a free agent -- close to $3 million -- and said they would shift full focus to finding late-inning bullpen help for Joel Hanrahan and Evan Meek.

    The team has had several sets of talks regarding Gregg and Dotel, two of the highest-profile closers left in free agency, including some that continued into this week.

    Gregg, 31, had a 4.72 ERA in 72 appearances for the Cubs this past season and lost his closer's job to Carlos Marmol after blowing seven saves in 30 opportunities. Before that, though, Gregg spent two years as a mostly effective closer for the Florida Marlins, and his career numbers are a 4.10 ERA and 85 saves in 107 opportunities.

    Dotel, 36, has not closed since early 2007, but he was a reliable arm for the Chicago White Sox the past two seasons, posting ERAs of 3.76 and 3.32 over 132 appearances. He also maintained quality a strikeout rate in that span -- 10.83 per nine innings -- that indicates he has fended off decline. His career numbers: 3.73 ERA and 83 saves in 122 opportunities.

    The highest-profile closers left in free agency are Jose Valverde and Fernando Rodney, and they are out of the Pirates' desired price range.

    Gregg made $4.2 million last season, Dotel $6 million, and each is expected to get less for 2010. Each also might be influenced by the lure of a chance at being a closer, as few such jobs remain available in Major League Baseball.

    The Pirates apparently would not be interested in signing both.

    A report by NBC Sports yesterday said the Pirates had made an offer to Dotel of $3 million plus performance bonuses, but that was emphatically rejected by a source directly involved in the talks.

    It might not be known for years how the Pirates fared in deciding to release Capps, but this much is evident now: The Nationals paid more than the Pirates were willing, and the Mets' offer, according to agent Paul Kinzer's word with reporters after the agreement, was comparable. The Cubs, too, are believed to have exceeded the Pirates' figure.

    Thus, the market did exceed the internal value the Pirates placed on Capps, though it remains to be seen if the market was justified.

    Perhaps the most striking aspect of this scene was the decision to release Capps rather than trade him, and that, too, might be called into question given that Capps ended up with more money and that no fewer than 15 other teams expressed interest while he was a free agent.

    To recap: The Pirates declined to tender Capps a contract through salary arbitration at the Dec. 12 deadline. Capps made $2,425,000 this past season while posting a 5.80 ERA, blowing five saves and losing eight games, and the team did not want to risk an arbitration award favorable to the player.

    Management has further explained its reasoning this way, based on multiple accounts in recent weeks:

    Trade talks regarding Capps, even while baseball still was being played, were yielding no significant offers for Capps, not even a return approaching the two modest prospects -- light-hitting shortstop Argenis Diaz and Class A pitcher Hunter Strickland -- acquired in the Adam LaRoche deal, the Pirates' most visible moving of a contract all summer. Thus, a decision was made to try to keep Capps but to do so while avoiding arbitration.

    The failure to reach an agreement with Capps before the non-tender deadline would put the parties on an inevitable collision course for a hearing, as the Pirates did not see an amicable settlement occurring. Given that, in the Pirates' view, closers can receive awards higher than the team's perceived value of that role, that was a risk they did not want to take.

    General manager Neal Huntington cited a Post-Gazette report that the Pirates had threatened Capps with a non-tender, five days before that deadline, as quashing what little trade value Capps had left.

    The team saw its final offer to Capps as competitive and, until this week, had sounded genuinely confident there was a chance it could be accepted. Capps stayed open-minded about the Pirates, not dismissing them until the day or so before agreeing with Washington.



    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09358...#ixzz0abyr3dHy
    Are these morons getting dumber or just louder-Mayor Quimby

  2. #2
    cocktailsfor2's Avatar
    Status : cocktailsfor2 is offline
    Rank : Major Leaguer
    Join Date : Oct 23, 2009
    Location : Pirates fan trapped 11 CTA stops north of Wrigley Field
    Posts : 1,233
    Threads : 72
    Last Online : Apr-03-2017 @ 03:32 AM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Jeebus - more than a week later, and Dejan's still re-hashing the Capps crap. 14 / 19 paragraphs in the story.

    Move on, dude... tell the locals more about the guys the Bucs are thinking about signing, rather than the guy who's not on the ****ing roster any more.
    Free your *** and your mind will follow.
    Hidden Content Hidden Content

  3. #3
    wvkeeper's Avatar
    Status : wvkeeper is offline
    Rank : Major Leaguer
    Join Date : Oct 17, 2009
    Location : Right There
    Posts : 1,367
    Threads : 158
    Last Online : Nov-03-2016 @ 07:14 AM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Ditto Cocktails. Sometimes Dejan needs reminded he is a beat writer and not a columnist.

  4. #4
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Soooo Capps was worth 3 mil to the Pirates but not 3.5. Oh well.... Pirate fans can still take comfront in the fact that they signed Jack Taschner!

  5. #5
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by wvkeeper View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Ditto Cocktails. Sometimes Dejan needs reminded he is a beat writer and not a columnist.
    DK is just emphasizing the point that this move was a complete head scratcher.

  6. #6
    Lup's Avatar
    Status : Lup is offline
    Rank : Minor Leaguer
    Join Date : Oct 18, 2009
    Posts : 605
    Threads : 36
    Last Online : Oct-01-2013 @ 09:32 AM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    DK is beating a sound baseball move to death.

  7. #7
    vandelay industries's Avatar
    Status : vandelay industries is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Nov 2, 2009
    Posts : 2,269
    Threads : 150
    Last Online : Mar-18-2014 @ 04:30 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by PittFaninVa View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    DK is just emphasizing the point that this move was a complete head scratcher.

    Which is not the job of the beat writer. That's the job of the columnist.

    There's a very clear difference.

    Similar to a reporter (who's supposed to be just an unbiased observer that reports the facts as they happen) and an op-ed writer in the 'real' news.

  8. #8
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by vandelay industries View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Which is not the job of the beat writer. That's the job of the columnist.

    There's a very clear difference.

    Similar to a reporter (who's supposed to be just an unbiased observer that reports the facts as they happen) and an op-ed writer in the 'real' news.

    No.....a columnist gives an opinion. DK gave no opinion he just stated the facts.

  9. #9
    vandelay industries's Avatar
    Status : vandelay industries is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Nov 2, 2009
    Posts : 2,269
    Threads : 150
    Last Online : Mar-18-2014 @ 04:30 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by PittFaninVa View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    No.....a columnist gives an opinion. DK gave no opinion he just stated the facts.

    Yes, we agree, and that's what I just said. There's a difference though between a beat writer (Dejan) and a columnist (Cook, Smizik, etc).

    The point here is that some are thinking that Dejan is treading too close to, if not crossing that line, of a beat writer.

  10. #10
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by vandelay industries View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Yes, we agree, and that's what I just said. [HIGH-LIGHT]There's a difference though between a beat writer (Dejan) and a columnist (Cook, Smizik, etc).[/HIGH-LIGHT]
    The point here is that some are thinking that Dejan is treading too close to, if not crossing that line, of a beat writer.
    DK's article was quoted in the first post so I was referring to it and assumed you also were. In that article he was not giving an opinion.

  11. #11
    Mister Pittsburgh's Avatar
    Status : Mister Pittsburgh is offline
    Rank : Major Leaguer
    Join Date : Oct 16, 2009
    Posts : 1,383
    Threads : 122
    Last Online : Apr-27-2013 @ 05:09 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    [HIGH-LIGHT]The highest-profile closers left in free agency are Jose Valverde and Fernando Rodney, and they are out of the Pirates' desired price range.[/HIGH-LIGHT]

    Pardon my ignorance. How good are these two, and what would it take to land one of them? I only really pay attention to my favorite teams and don't know much about other teams players, etc.

    Considering we don't have a proven closer anymore, and they are shaking the bushes for one, and their payroll is about as low as possible, would it not make sense to sign a proven closer to lock down some of the well pitched games from our starters?

  12. #12
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    [HIGH-LIGHT]The highest-profile closers left in free agency are Jose Valverde and Fernando Rodney, and they are out of the Pirates' desired price range.[/HIGH-LIGHT]

    Pardon my ignorance. How good are these two, and what would it take to land one of them? I only really pay attention to my favorite teams and don't know much about other teams players, etc.

    Considering we don't have a proven closer anymore, and they are shaking the bushes for one, and their payroll is about as low as possible, would it not make sense to sign a proven closer to lock down some of the well pitched games from our starters?


    Fernando Rodney just signed a 2 year 11 mil deal. Valverde would command probably as much or more. Just as a reference Valverde made 8 mil last year!

  13. #13
    Mister Pittsburgh's Avatar
    Status : Mister Pittsburgh is offline
    Rank : Major Leaguer
    Join Date : Oct 16, 2009
    Posts : 1,383
    Threads : 122
    Last Online : Apr-27-2013 @ 05:09 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by PittFaninVa View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Fernando Rodney just signed a 2 year 11 mil deal. Valverde would command probably as much or more. Just as a reference Valverde made 8 mil last year!
    Would a stud closer not be worth 5.5 or 6 million per year for a real MLB team?

  14. #14
    PittFaninVa's Avatar
    Status : PittFaninVa is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Oct 28, 2009
    Posts : 2,433
    Threads : 94
    Last Online : Jun-07-2011 @ 10:03 PM

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Pittsburgh View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Would a stud closer not be worth 5.5 or 6 million per year for a real MLB team?
    Not this year. Not with this team.

  15. #15
    vandelay industries's Avatar
    Status : vandelay industries is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Nov 2, 2009
    Posts : 2,269
    Threads : 150
    Last Online : Mar-18-2014 @ 04:30 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Pirates eye Gregg, Dotel, as Capps picks Nats

    A comment about Capps from Dejan's blog sums it up perfectly:

    A one year deal from the worst team in the League last year, and he has to compete for the closer job with somebody nobody has ever heard of, maybe there really was not much of a market for him after all. Maybe a trade was not an option.

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast

Quick Reply Quick Reply

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Members who have read this thread: 0

There are no members to list at the moment.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •