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    Default Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    Anyone know what the league average is for punching it in from the redzone? 39% conversion rate inside the redzone seems **** poor. This is the main reason I want Arians the F out of Pittsburgh.

    Tried googling but didn't find league redzone stats or whatever to compare the average. Maybe I am full of it and our offense success rate in the redzone is right around average.

    Also, not sure where this writer learned to do addition. In what realm does 9+8=16?

    The Steelers converted two of six drives inside the Miami 20 for touchdowns, meaning they settled for field goals in nine (with eight touchdowns) of their final 16 red-zone trips this season and 22 (with 27 touchdowns) of 56 overall this season

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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    Try piddling around with this.

    I found this by a Google search of "nfl red zone 2009 stats", this is 'red zone scoring %", which is just % of times getting any points (not just td's) in the redzone and it's equally ****ty with the Steelers ranked 22nd in the league:


    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct

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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

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    Try piddling around with this.

    I found this by a Google search of "nfl red zone 2009 stats", this is 'red zone scoring %", which is just % of times getting any points (not just td's) in the redzone and it's equally ****ty with the Steelers ranked 22nd in the league:


    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct
    I wanna say that that is a site I used here just recently to post 3rd down stats/numbers. Pretty nice get up

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    Try piddling around with this.

    I found this by a Google search of "nfl red zone 2009 stats", this is 'red zone scoring %", which is just % of times getting any points (not just td's) in the redzone and it's equally ****ty with the Steelers ranked 22nd in the league:


    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct
    Look at Arizona's redzone scoring %. Holy ****.

    Ours is pathetic. We do 1.0% better than Detroit and Chicago.

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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    Their lack of ability to close the deal on both sides of the ball
    killed their chances this year. They just didn't have that killer instinct that
    championship teams need to win.

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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

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    Their lack of ability to close the deal on both sides of the ball
    killed their chances this year. They just didn't have that killer instinct that
    championship teams need to win.
    They showed the killer instinct on occasion, but seemed to lose it against weak opponents. Arrogance? Complacency? Hangovers?

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    They showed the killer instinct on occasion, but seemed to lose it against weak opponents. Arrogance? Complacency? Hangovers?

    I'll take D. All of the Above.

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    Try piddling around with this.

    I found this by a Google search of "nfl red zone 2009 stats", this is 'red zone scoring %", which is just % of times getting any points (not just td's) in the redzone and it's equally ****ty with the Steelers ranked 22nd in the league:


    http://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat...ne-scoring-pct
    Nice find. What was scary was that the Steelers were only slightly worse than last year! I was suprised to see Philly below the Steelers and the Bungles just above the Steelers. I guess if your winning games no one thinks too much about the red zone stats. I guess a good defense hides flaws like this. Cincy improved their defense this year and I would have never guessed them to be this bad in the red zone because they were winning...just like dem Stillers last year!
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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    We are pathetic in the redzone because our offense revolves around plays breaking down, Ben escaping the pocket, dodging 4 defenders while flinging it down field for 30 yards. This is why our offensive stats are so impressive but our scoring, 3rd down conversions and redzone offense is so poor.

    The Arians/Bens "chuck and duck" offense in the redzone doesn't work because when plays breakdown inside the 20 you are ****ed. There is less room for the recievers to improvise plus the other teams defenders only have to cover 20 yards instead of 50+.

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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    Redzone packages just aren't a part of Arians's playbook it seems. With the weapons we have you would think we would kick *** in the redzone, he just has to go. I am curious what our redzone TD% was the year before Arians became OC. I bet it was a helluva lot higher.
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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    Interesting mix in the Top 10. Some pass happy teams (Arizona, Indy, and New Orleans) and some power running teams (Minnesota and Tennessee).

    I still say I'd love to have a power running game to go with the passing game, but that's not going to happen with Arians in town.
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    Interesting mix in the Top 10. Some pass happy teams (Arizona, Indy, and New Orleans) and some power running teams (Minnesota and Tennessee).

    I still say I'd love to have a power running game to go with the passing game, but that's not going to happen with Arians in town.
    Those pass happy teams have Warner, Manning and Brees at the helm so it's no wonder they can score in the red.

    I think Mendy is OK as our RB but you can't expect to have any running game when you are running 4 and 5 receivers on the field 75% of the time. All of a sudden you put a RB, FB and 2 TE's in and correct me if I'm wrong, the defense starts stacking the line and licking their chops! Arians for some reason loved the 2 TE sets. What a joke! There's an extra blocker on each side but no lead blocker for the RB. Without a FB, you can't have a consistent running game unless you have Adrian Peterson in your backfield and last time I looked, he wasn't a free agent.
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    Those pass happy teams have Warner, Manning and Brees at the helm so it's no wonder they can score in the red.

    I think Mendy is OK as our RB but you can't expect to have any running game when you are running 4 and 5 receivers on the field 75% of the time. All of a sudden you put a RB, FB and 2 TE's in and correct me if I'm wrong, the defense starts stacking the line and licking their chops! Arians for some reason loved the 2 TE sets. What a joke! There's an extra blocker on each side but no lead blocker for the RB. Without a FB, you can't have a consistent running game unless you have Adrian Peterson in your backfield and last time I looked, he wasn't a free agent.
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    Default Re: Steelers score TD's @ 39% rate once in redzone

    I think in the redzone you need more of one of my favorite plays, that we rarely if ever do:

    A quick 6-8 yard slant pass.

    It's so difficult, near impossible, to defend when it's timed right.

    In the redzone you need very quick and concise routed plays that you can get the ball to your primary read because the defense as a whole is all much closer and compacted. Doing our bunch formations and Ben having to go through 2 or 3 reads makes it harder for us to score and easier to defend simply due to the defense being more 'everywhere' in the redzone.

    Look at some of those other pass happy teams in the redzone. They're doing these quick slants, they're also throwing just quick 6-8 yard well-timed out patterns to a primary receiver. They're also having a primary receiver be a tight end that just runs a simple curl and immediately 'posts up' in a hole (that's only there for about 2 seconds in a tight redzone) in the d.

    We simply don't do that.

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