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    Just some random Pirates news I picked up scouring the net...

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/featu...?date=20100111

    The Pittsburgh Pirates are starting to put together a decent collection of young talent, including contributors Garrett Jones and Andy LaRoche and future star Andrew McCutchen. But the club also has prospect Pedro Alvarez to think about.

    Alvarez has primarily been a third baseman as an amateur and his first few years in pro ball, but many scouts project him as a first-base defender. Whether he breaks spring training as a member of the 25-man roster or not, at some point in 2010 the Pirates will have to find room for Alvarez.

    The Oakland A's reportedly tried to trade for LaRoche after missing on Adrian Beltre, but the two clubs could not agree on what would come back to Pittsburgh, so it appears that LaRoche will be the third baseman for now.

    If we assume Alvarez is the future at first, it pushes Garret Jones to an outfield corner, which could crowd things if the Bucs do add Ryan Church via free agency.
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    How about trading Iwamura?

    "The Pirates find themselves in a precarious position as it pertains to Pedro Alvarez, in that his natural position is occupied by Andy LaRoche, who deserves at least one more shot to prove prospectors correct. Making matters worse is that LaRoche's secondary position is now occupied by Aki Iwamura. Alvarez has torn up both Single- and Double-A so far, with a .278/.378/.535 line, suggesting there is little else he needs to prove. The Bucs would be wise to trade Iwamura assuming he produces at a decent clip through the first half, shift LaRoche to the keystone and install Alvarez at third base. He does not need to break camp on the big league roster but if he isn't on the major league roster by the all-star break something will be afoot in Pittsburgh." - Eric Seidman
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    1. Mike (Rutland, VT)


    Jim,What should the Pirates be doing to continue their improvements in the minor leagues? There is almost no one else left to trade so where would you focus their draft on? Thanks for your time and thoughts.
    Jim Callis
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    I would do what the Pirates have done the last two years, which is pour as much money as possible into the draft. Sign as many talented players as possible, because they can compete for draft talent but they can't compete for top free agent talent.


    2.Vaughn (MD)


    Zach VonRosenberg - a top 100 prospect going into 2011?
    Jim Callis
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    I'll say yes.

    3. steve (pittsburgh)


    Better Pirates pitching prospect: Lincoln or Alderson?
    Jim Callis
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    Lincoln.

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    IF, we'll say, 2 months into the season both Iwamura and LaRoche is playing REALLY well...hitting well...then I would agree that Iwamura might make a good trade candidate.
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    IF, we'll say, 2 months into the season both Iwamura and LaRoche is playing REALLY well...hitting well...then I would agree that Iwamura might make a good trade candidate.
    Completely agree. Iwamura will likely be the better 2B. It would take Andy a good season or so, if ever to be as good defensively at 2B but I andy has more upside with his bat in the power and slugging department esepecially long term.

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    Completely agree. Iwamura will likely be the better 2B. It would take Andy a good season or so, if ever to be as good defensively at 2B but I andy has more upside with his bat in the power and slugging department esepecially long term.
    I REALLY wish Aki was a SS not a 2B...b/c I think that A) LaRoche could be an OK 2B and so can, possibly, in the future Chase D'Arnaud etc...I think we have more likely 2B players than SS and I just wish Aki could play SS. Oh well.
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    Andy by the end of the season last year was a GG-level 3B. Freddy Sanchez actually got better defensively, IMHO, when he moved to 2B. Adam I think would be similar.

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    I REALLY wish Aki was a SS not a 2B...b/c I think that A) LaRoche could be an OK 2B and so can, possibly, in the future Chase D'Arnaud etc...I think we have more likely 2B players than SS and I just wish Aki could play SS. Oh well.
    I don't know benny. I mean unless I missed it, I haven't heard anything bad regarding Chase D'Arnaud as a SS. I haven't heard that he's exceptional or anything but I haven't read where anything thinks he needs to move from SS. Jack Wilson was never really heralded as a strong SS in the minors and he was alright... I think Chase D'Arnaud if he continues developing like he is will be a real solid SS for us in the future...

    Second Base is more of an issue, but it's nice that Andy Laroche has the potential to play there... I think Chelby ford falling flat on his face at AAA threw a huge monkey wrench into Huntington's plans. Ok, not huge... but I think he was figuring all along that he was trading Freddy Sanchez, but he was going to have Shelby Ford ready to step in as the young replacement. The thought process was Ford moving up to AAA, continuing on with his play and getting the promotion. Ford regressed/got injured and then demoted... so we were left more in a scrambling mode. Completely sucks when a player that is expected to step in, completely falls.

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    Andy by the end of the season last year was a GG-level 3B. Freddy Sanchez actually got better defensively, IMHO, when he moved to 2B. Adam I think would be similar.
    Well... every player has their thing. Strangely, Freddy's 3B defensive numbers were far better than his 2B numbers. I always felt that Freddy was jsut average at 2B but I was always impressed with at 3B.

    Andy is physically able to make the transition but there's so much more to moving positions that most people don't think of. Going from 3B to 2B, you are now on the opposite side of the field, so the ball is now coming off of bats differently, at different angels, perhaps different speeds and such... fielders have to make appropriate jumps and reads, a lot is guess work, the good players make good reads and breaks, to do those things well, moving from sides of a field is a big adjustment for one's mind.

    Then there's turning Double Plays. Turning DP's is an art. when we watched Jack and Freddy do it, it really was a thing of beauty, but it's not easy. We watched them trying to teach Delwyn young last year. Foot positioning, pivoting, cross body release, hops etc...

    I think Andy can do the transition, but I'd hesitate in assuming that if one guy can do it, another one must be able to as well. as it is with anything, I think some players just have the abilities to do and not certain things. I mean... I felt like Delwyn Young had the potential to really make the conversion and would get better in time.... he got worse with time

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    Agree with ya Kipper...

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    I don't know benny. I mean unless I missed it, I haven't heard anything bad regarding Chase D'Arnaud as a SS. I haven't heard that he's exceptional or anything but I haven't read where anything thinks he needs to move from SS. Jack Wilson was never really heralded as a strong SS in the minors and he was alright... I think Chase D'Arnaud if he continues developing like he is will be a real solid SS for us in the future...

    Second Base is more of an issue, but it's nice that Andy Laroche has the potential to play there... I think Chelby ford falling flat on his face at AAA threw a huge monkey wrench into Huntington's plans. Ok, not huge... but I think he was figuring all along that he was trading Freddy Sanchez, but he was going to have Shelby Ford ready to step in as the young replacement. The thought process was Ford moving up to AAA, continuing on with his play and getting the promotion. Ford regressed/got injured and then demoted... so we were left more in a scrambling mode. Completely sucks when a player that is expected to step in, completely falls.
    I believe D'Arnaud's range is a pretty big question-mark. That, to me, would indicate to me that as he ages and further develops...he'll need to move to 2B.

    Shelby Ford completely regressing was unexpected both by the organization and by others (including myself).
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    I believe D'Arnaud's range is a pretty big question-mark. That, to me, would indicate to me that as he ages and further develops...he'll need to move to 2B.

    Shelby Ford completely regressing was unexpected both by the organization and by others (including myself).
    Tim at Buccos Blog has done some really great write ups on prospects and such. A lot of work he's put in.... Here's what he has on D'Arnaud... Click the link afterwards and there's more...

    2009 Season: The 2009 season was the first full professional season for d'Arnaud, who started the year in low-A at West Virginia. d'Arnaud got off to a great start, hitting for a .355/.408/.532 line in the month of April. He ended up with a .291/.394/.427 line in 213 at-bats, with three homers, and 17 stolen bases. Chase also had a 14.6 strikeout rate, and a 11.8 percent walk rate. All of his ratios were well above the league average for the South Atlantic League in 2009. [HIGH-LIGHT]His defense was also good enough to be named the best shortstop in the SAL for the 2009 season.[/HIGH-LIGHT]

    d'Arnaud moved up to Lynchburg in late June, where he spent time not only learning second base, but hitting from the top of the order. This was the first time in his career that he hit leadoff, and there were some early struggles as a result. d'Arnaud hit for a .125/.241/.250 line in his first 24 at-bats with Lynchburg. After that first week and a half, he hit for a .317/.423/.511 line in 186 at-bats from July to the end of the season.

    d'Arnaud had a little bit of trouble with the strikeouts in high-A, although his 19.5 percent ratio was about average for the Carolina League in 2009, so it wasn't a major concern. His walk ratio remained strong at 12 percent, which was above average. d'Arnaud also hit four homers in his 210 at-bats, and stole 14 bases.

    Overall d'Arnaud hit for a .293/.398/.454 line in 423 at-bats between low-A and high-A, with seven homers and 31 stolen bases. d'Arnaud had a scare at one point during the season, injuring his thumb. The injury was originally expected to end d'Arnaud's season in mid-July. d'Arnaud received better news from the Pirates' hand specialist in Pittsburgh, and was able to return in early August.

    The return was crucial for d'Arnaud. Had Chase missed the rest of the season, he would have missed out on hitting for a .303/.389/.465 line in August and September. With those numbers, he could have earned himself a promotion to AA to start the 2010 season. Without those numbers, he likely would have been guaranteed to start the 2010 season in high-A. It was also crucial for Lynchburg in the playoffs, where d'Arnaud's key hits helped lead Lynchburg to the Carolina League Championship, with Chase winning the MVP award for the Championship Series.

    Chase finished his strong season in the Arizona Fall League, hitting for a .296/.383/.383 line in 81 at-bats, which is significant because it came against pitchers who normally pitch in AA and AAA. d'Arnaud started out hitting for a .200/.300/.343 line in his first 35 at-bats. In his final 11 games he hit for a .370/.444/.413 line in 46 at-bats. d'Arnaud also led the AFL in stolen bases with 13, including at least one stolen base in his last seven games.
    The only complaint I can find is that he's not as strong at second as he is at shortstop, although he's only played 33 games at the position, not counting AFL games. He's very strong at shortstop after only two seasons at the position, and I have a feeling he will apply his defensive skills to second, making him a candidate to end up in the majors at either position.

    d'Arnaud is 6' 2", 200 pounds. He has good range and a strong arm. At second base he looks good making the pivot on the double play to first. He has above average speed, is aggressive on the base paths, and smart on the bases, knowing which pitchers he can steal off of. d'Arnaud has good contact skills, which not only allows him to work the count and stay alive with two strikes, but is the reason for his good batting averages.
    Read more: http://www.buccofans.com/2009/11/pit...#ixzz0ccFnV0TD

    I'll go fish around for Wilbur Miller's write ups on D'Arnaud when I get the chance...

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    I have to admit that I don't know a whole lot about Aki, but i hope he plays well enough to be good trade bait when Alvarez is ready to come up. With the way LaRoche was hitting the ball at the end of the season, it looks like he could be an above average offensive threat for a second sacker. Defensively i believe he would be okay, because he seems athletic and young enough to make smooth enough transition that he wouldn't be a liability. An infield of Alvarez, Cedeno, LaRoche and Clement could potentially produce some nice numbers from the plate.
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    If I were the Pirates I would start getting Andy some reps at second base down there in Florida just to start the wheels moving. For all the hype of Pedro moving to first base, none of that has come from the decision makers. I think he holds his own at third for the time being. I don't think he'll be a gold glover, but if he hits as advertised, I'd settle for a break even UZR guy. The nice thing about the Pirates is having Mazeroski there in spring training to work with the second basemen. Which is why I would have LaRoche working on it this spring.

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    what is the 2b name that we got back in the gorzo trade? harrison maybe? is he worth anything?

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    Harrison has put up good numbers, but was not highly regarded for some reason.

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    There is no way Pedro can be worse than Aramis Ramirez was/is at 3B...

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