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    Tonight at 8pm on MLB Network and also simulcast on MLB.COM. Where do you all think they will have ALverez at?

    I say #2 behind Strasberg
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    Default Re: Top 50 prospects show

    Pedro should be top 10 but I can't see them giving him #2. no good reasoning, just cant see it

    Any idea what their conclusions were?

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    Breaking down the Top 50 Prospects


    Top 50: Stephen Strasburg, WSH
    • Top 50: Mike Stanton, FLA
    • Top 50: Buster Posey, SF
    • Top 50: Brian Matusz, BAL

    By Jonathan Mayo / MLB.com
    01/27/10 9:00 PM EST
    MLB.com's Top 50 Prospect list is now public for all to see. Let the opinions fly. Should the game's top prospect be Braves outfielder Jason Heyward or Nationals fireballer Stephen Strasburg? From No. 1 all the way down to Jaff Decker at No. 50, there's no question people will want to debate the who, what and why of this ranking.

    That is why, after all, MLB.com does a Top 50 Prospect list annually. Lists like these are far from objective. Even if scores of scouts are polled, as was the case for this list, opinions will be very varied. Sure, consensus can be found on who the top names should be, but the order of the names and who is or isn't on the list always gets people excited.

    While perusing the list and either nodding in agreement or grimacing in dismay, there are two things you can do. One is to send in your own personal Top 10 list. MLB.com will compile all the votes and put out a Fans' Top Prospect Ranking.

    The other thing you can do is to just take a look at who is on the list below, from what position they play to what organization and country they hail from.

    Team competition
    Who's got the best system, at least in terms of Top 50 talent? It shouldn't surprise most that the Rays and Rangers stand atop this team-by-team list. Who they're joined by might make a few raise an eyebrow, though.

    The Royals' Draft-aggressive philosophy the past few years is clearly paying off, at least in terms of prospects within the system. The White Sox, who often use prospects to deal for big league parts, were shut out for the second straight year. Twenty-six teams feature at least one Top 50 prospect.



    • Rangers: 4
    • Rays: 4
    • Royals: 4
    • Red Sox: 3
    • A's: 2
    • Blue Jays: 2


    • Braves: 2
    • Brewers: 2
    • Dodgers: 2
    • Giants: 2
    • Indians: 2
    • Marlins: 2


    • Nationals: 2
    • Phillies: 2
    • Reds: 2
    • Rockies: 2
    • Tigers: 2
    • Astros: 1


    • Cubs: 1
    • D-Backs: 1
    • Mariners: 1
    • Orioles: 1
    • Padres: 1
    • Pirates: 1


    • Twins: 1
    • Yankees: 1
    • Angels: 0
    • Cardinals: 0
    • Mets: 0
    • White Sox: 0


    2010 Top 50 Prospects


    Rank Name Team
    1 Jason Heyward ATL
    2 Stephen Strasburg WAS
    3 Mike Stanton FLA
    4 Buster Posey SF
    5 Brian Matusz BAL
    6 Desmond Jennings TB
    7 Neftali Feliz TEX
    8 Pedro Alvarez PIT
    9 Justin Smoak TEX
    10 Madison Bumgarner SF
    11 Carlos Santana CLE
    12 Alcides Escobar MIL
    13 Wade Davis TB
    14 Domonic Brown PHI
    15 Dustin Ackley SEA
    16 Brett Wallace TOR
    17 Kyle Drabek TOR
    18 Martin Perez TEX
    19 Jesus Montero NYY
    20 Jeremy Hellickson TB
    21 Jarrod Parker ARI
    22 Starlin Castro CHI
    23 Christian Friedrich COL
    24 Tim Beckham TB
    25 Logan Morrison FLA
    26 Brett Lawrie MIL
    27 Ryan Westmoreland BOS
    28 Casey Kelly BOS
    29 Aaron Hicks MIN
    30 Yonder Alonso CIN
    31 Jason Castro HOU
    32 Mike Moustakas KC
    33 Wil Myers KC
    34 Julio Teheran ATL
    35 Michael Taylor OAK
    36 Dee Gordon LAD
    37 Chris Carter OAK
    38 Austin Jackson DET
    39 Tanner Scheppers TEX
    40 Drew Storen WAS
    41 Aaron Crow KC
    42 Jacob Turner DET
    43 Mike Montgomery KC
    44 Jhoulys Chacin COL
    45 Jose Iglesias BOS
    46 Michael Brantley CLE
    47 Phillippe Aumont PHI
    48 Juan Francisco CIN
    49 Ethan Martin LAD
    50 Jaff Decker SD

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    Default Re: Top 50 prospects show

    Good to see Pedro and a Pirates player in the Top 50. Not so good to only see 1 Pirates player although there's been Top 50's in the past that had a couple Pirates prospects on it thjat became busts... so either way.

    Mayo appears to really over value pitching. Tanner Scheppers at #39?

    A lot of players on there from the past 2 drafts.

    Mike Stanton

    He was supposed to come to us in the 2nd Bay deal, the 3 way that involved Florida. The Marlins were ready to dish him out but the Red sox wouldn't give them the money they wanted and they withdrew from negotiations. Huntington should've offered up the money. Stanton was a stud then and still is now. Stanton for Bay straight up would've made me happy

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    Only Pedro Alvarez makes the list for the Bucs. I was a little disappointed not to see Tony Sanchez on there after his minor league performance last season.

    Tanner Scheppers checks in at # 39.

    2010 TOP 50 PROSPECTS
    Rank Name Team
    1 Jason Heyward ATL
    2 Stephen Strasburg WAS
    3 Mike Stanton FLA
    4 Buster Posey SF
    5 Brian Matusz BAL
    6 Desmond Jennings TB
    7 Neftali Feliz TEX
    8 Pedro Alvarez PIT
    9 Justin Smoak TEX
    10 Madison Bumgarner SF
    11 Carlos Santana CLE
    12 Alcides Escobar MIL
    13 Wade Davis TB
    14 Domonic Brown PHI
    15 Dustin Ackley SEA
    16 Brett Wallace TOR
    17 Kyle Drabek TOR
    18 Martin Perez TEX
    19 Jesus Montero NYY
    20 Jeremy Hellickson TB
    21 Jarrod Parker ARI
    22 Starlin Castro CHI
    23 Christian Friedrich COL
    24 Tim Beckham TB
    25 Logan Morrison FLA
    26 Brett Lawrie MIL
    27 Ryan Westmoreland BOS
    28 Casey Kelly BOS
    29 Aaron Hicks MIN
    30 Yonder Alonso CIN
    31 Jason Castro HOU
    32 Mike Moustakas KC
    33 Wil Myers KC
    34 Julio Teheran ATL
    35 Michael Taylor OAK
    36 Dee Gordon LAD
    37 Chris Carter OAK
    38 Austin Jackson DET
    39 Tanner Scheppers TEX
    40 Drew Storen WAS
    41 Aaron Crow KC
    42 Jacob Turner DET
    43 Mike Montgomery KC
    44 Jhoulys Chacin COL
    45 Jose Iglesias BOS
    46 Michael Brantley CLE
    47 Phillippe Aumont PHI
    48 Juan Francisco CIN
    49 Ethan Martin LAD
    50 Jaff Decker SD

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    Mike Stanton

    He was supposed to come to us in the 2nd Bay deal, the 3 way that involved Florida. The Marlins were ready to dish him out but the Red sox wouldn't give them the money they wanted and they withdrew from negotiations. Huntington should've offered up the money. Stanton was a stud then and still is now. Stanton for Bay straight up would've made me happy
    I remember that. I think that Baseball Prospectus was the only site that was ever saying Stanton was involved, and just about every Florida source denied it. Who knows what was actually going on on that one.

    I think 3 is a little high for a guy like Stanton, although it really depends on what you're trying to rank them based on. His ceiling is extremely high, but the chance of failure with that type of player is also very high. While his power is ridiculous, you can't just ignore the .230 batting average or the 33% strikeout rate in AA. I know there's the "he's still young for the level" argument, but so was Chad Hermansen, so was Brandon Wood (is it too early to throw him in here?), so was Joel Guzman, etc. He's going to have to improve dramatically to come anywhere close to fulfilling his potential, and you can't just assume that he will.

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    Here's a couple other Alvarez rankings:

    John Sickels #5 hitter
    Jim Callis #5 overall
    Keith Law #35 (!?) overall
    Fanhouse 13th overall

    Law also had Tabata at 57 and Sanchez at 83. Others of note: Tanner Scheppers at 78, Miguel Sano at 97.

    Fanhouse had Tabata 69 and Sanchez 75. Scheppers at 31.
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    Here's Law's Alvarez writeup. He's still playing the "they should have taken Justin Smoak" card that he's been saying since before the draft. At least he's consistent.

    He still has problems against left-handed pitchers -- he hit .267/.320/.394 against them in 2009, and struck out in more than a third of his plate appearances against them in Double-A -- because he doesn't see the ball out of a southpaw's hand anywhere near as well as he sees it out of a righty's. He's also still below-average at third base and likely to outgrow the position as he gets older, as his lower half is thick and he doesn't have the quickness the position requires. Those two flaws keep him out of the class of all-bat prospects like Jesus Montero or better defensive contributors like Justin Smoak

    Justin Smoak was rated 9th overall. Smoak is already playing exclusively 1B, didn't put up nearly the HR totals Alvarez did, and despite being a switch hitter was considerably worse against LHP than Alvarez. He also played in a better hitter's league than Alvarez in Texas. Minor League Splits lists him as a .196/.268/.314 hitter against lefties. Yikes... The only advantage he had was that he started in AA and moved to AAA.

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    I remember that. I think that Baseball Prospectus was the only site that was ever saying Stanton was involved, and just about every Florida source denied it. Who knows what was actually going on on that one.

    I think 3 is a little high for a guy like Stanton, although it really depends on what you're trying to rank them based on. His ceiling is extremely high, but the chance of failure with that type of player is also very high. While his power is ridiculous, you can't just ignore the .230 batting average or the 33% strikeout rate in AA. I know there's the "he's still young for the level" argument, but so was Chad Hermansen, so was Brandon Wood (is it too early to throw him in here?), so was Joel Guzman, etc. He's going to have to improve dramatically to come anywhere close to fulfilling his potential, and you can't just assume that he will.
    I love Stanton.....but him for Bay at the time wouldn't have been enough. Statons K's could be a problem but at age 19 in AA ball...I'll take my chances.

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    I love Stanton.....but him for Bay at the time wouldn't have been enough. Statons K's could be a problem but at age 19 in AA ball...I'll take my chances.
    Yeah, I probably overreacted a bit on the Stanton for Bay thing... but it's tough to ignore that type of raw power that young. That's why he's ranked so high, that power can't be ignored regardless of his other flaws.

    He'll probably end up an Adam Dunn type of player. I don't know about his defense, Stanton might end up with better defensive projections

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    Tanner Scheppers would look nice in our system right now.
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    Tanner Scheppers would look nice in our system right now.
    Right. Where did I hear that before?

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    Tanner Scheppers would look nice in our system right now.
    Too bad he wanted Top 10 money despite showcasing a poor arm and him and his agent lying to management.

    I'm not going to whine like a woman over him

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    Too bad he wanted Top 10 money despite showcasing a poor arm and him and his agent lying to management.

    I'm not going to whine like a woman over him
    What is it about this player/agent lying that is different from the others?

    Shortly after declining to sign Scheppers partly because of his physical condition the Pirates traded for an injured Bryan Morris.

    Was the reference to whining like a woman intended to be an insult?

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