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    Default Coonelly Condrum

    By Chuck Finder | 2 p.m. Friday

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    Q: Everyone quotes Bud Selig saying he believes the Pirates are trying to win and are spending their revenue-sharing funds correctly; that neither he nor the MLB need to intervene. Could it be that he already has? In fact, couldn't it be that the commish intervened two years ago with the hiring of Frank Coonelly?

    Why would Coonellly give up his job in New York with MLB to be president of the PBC?

    With all due respect, to be chosen over Tony LaCava and [new Texas Rangers owner] Chuck Greenberg never seemed realistic to me. Could it be things were so bad that the commish quietly intervened to force the Pirates to build a program?

    Brett Wineinger of Indianapolis

    FINDER: Gotta love conspiracy theories and front-office intrigue. Yet Brett's question centers on small notions that have followed Coonelly since his arrival in Pittsburgh: Was he sent here to properly steer the franchise, sort of a court-appointed lawyer? Was he sent here as a stepping stone back to the commish's office, the heir apparent to Selig in 2012? Or both?

    A few fans at PirateFest posed those queries in the public Q&As, and Coonelly essentially answered negatory to both. Though he did joke once about noticing when a newspaper printed his old boss' salary, which, according to tax filings, has surpassed $17 million annually in recent years. That would would represent a slight raise from what Bob Nutting pays him, right?

    While the Aramis Ramirez trade in July 2003 was triggered by the then-administration's debt ratio getting out of whack, there never were overt signs that Selig and MLB's brass considered the Pirates to be wholly mismanaged. There never were overt signs that Selig and MLB's brass considered the Nuttings to be unable to oversee a franchise successful in the books, at the turnstiles and on the field (in baseball, 1 for 3 or 2 for 3 constitute all-star material, remember). If the commissioner's office was all about propping up stable leaders in troubled outposts, Coonelly would be the president of the Marlins and the whole embarrassment about that club -- successful on the field, mind you -- and its revenue-sharing finances never would've reared.
    On that subject, did anybody else notice the damage control the day after that MLB/union intervention? The Marlins sent out a press release about how next they were going to visit troops in Iraq.
    Anyway, Coonelly's Pirates hiring may have been nothing more than Selig highly recommending his chief labor counsel for a team that needed a strong, steady hand, and it didn't hurt that Coonelly needed to leave the MLB offices to get that team experience if he did indeed aspire to Bud's throne. I know what you're thinking: Boy, what an experience.

    "I really have no interest in the commissioner of baseball position," Coonelly answered at one PirateFest Q&A. "It's a terrific position. But my interest is in Pittsburgh and helping turn this franchise around."
    There's a thought: Coonelly may not merit a promotion anywhere else until the Pirates win, or at least reach .500. His success could well be pinned to theirs. Wouldn't it be ironic if Pedro Alvarez, after all that 2008 wrangling between the team president and agent Scott Boras, turned out to be the player who put the Pirates over the top and put Coonelly in, say, the commissioner's chair?

    Posted Feb 05 2010, 02:00 PM by Chuck Finder Filed under: Pirates Q&A, Pedro Alvarez, Frank Coonelly, Scott Boras

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    By Chuck Finder | 2 p.m. Friday

    Here is where to submit a Q.

    Q: Everyone quotes Bud Selig saying he believes the Pirates are trying to win and are spending their revenue-sharing funds correctly; that neither he nor the MLB need to intervene. Could it be that he already has? In fact, couldn't it be that the commish intervened two years ago with the hiring of Frank Coonelly?

    Why would Coonellly give up his job in New York with MLB to be president of the PBC?

    With all due respect, to be chosen over Tony LaCava and [new Texas Rangers owner] Chuck Greenberg never seemed realistic to me. Could it be things were so bad that the commish quietly intervened to force the Pirates to build a program?

    Brett Wineinger of Indianapolis

    FINDER: Gotta love conspiracy theories and front-office intrigue. Yet Brett's question centers on small notions that have followed Coonelly since his arrival in Pittsburgh: Was he sent here to properly steer the franchise, sort of a court-appointed lawyer? Was he sent here as a stepping stone back to the commish's office, the heir apparent to Selig in 2012? Or both?

    A few fans at PirateFest posed those queries in the public Q&As, and Coonelly essentially answered negatory to both. Though he did joke once about noticing when a newspaper printed his old boss' salary, which, according to tax filings, has surpassed $17 million annually in recent years. That would would represent a slight raise from what Bob Nutting pays him, right?

    While the Aramis Ramirez trade in July 2003 was triggered by the then-administration's debt ratio getting out of whack, there never were overt signs that Selig and MLB's brass considered the Pirates to be wholly mismanaged. There never were overt signs that Selig and MLB's brass considered the Nuttings to be unable to oversee a franchise successful in the books, at the turnstiles and on the field (in baseball, 1 for 3 or 2 for 3 constitute all-star material, remember). If the commissioner's office was all about propping up stable leaders in troubled outposts, Coonelly would be the president of the Marlins and the whole embarrassment about that club -- successful on the field, mind you -- and its revenue-sharing finances never would've reared.
    On that subject, did anybody else notice the damage control the day after that MLB/union intervention? The Marlins sent out a press release about how next they were going to visit troops in Iraq.
    Anyway, Coonelly's Pirates hiring may have been nothing more than Selig highly recommending his chief labor counsel for a team that needed a strong, steady hand, and it didn't hurt that Coonelly needed to leave the MLB offices to get that team experience if he did indeed aspire to Bud's throne. I know what you're thinking: Boy, what an experience.

    "I really have no interest in the commissioner of baseball position," Coonelly answered at one PirateFest Q&A. "It's a terrific position. But my interest is in Pittsburgh and helping turn this franchise around."
    There's a thought: Coonelly may not merit a promotion anywhere else until the Pirates win, or at least reach .500. His success could well be pinned to theirs. Wouldn't it be ironic if Pedro Alvarez, after all that 2008 wrangling between the team president and agent Scott Boras, turned out to be the player who put the Pirates over the top and put Coonelly in, say, the commissioner's chair?

    Posted Feb 05 2010, 02:00 PM by Chuck Finder Filed under: Pirates Q&A, Pedro Alvarez, Frank Coonelly, Scott Boras
    Finder's response here just kind of rambles and doesn't really say much... come back soon DK

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    I don't think DK would've had anything more or less to say, probably less since finder does indeed ramble. The bottom line is that it is a conspiracy theory. One could ramble and dwell on such a conspiracy theory for a long time

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    there is nothing to that worthless diatribe. I love how people try way too hard to see more into things than is actually there. At this stage of the game, the hiring of Coonelly appears to be nothing more than a good decision. His knowledge of the rules and other aspects of his experience from working in the MLB offices could help Nutting navigate through the rules and other aspects of the rebuilding of the Pirates (maybe finding certain loopholes).
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    there is nothing to that worthless diatribe. I love how people try way too hard to see more into things than is actually there. At this stage of the game, the hiring of Coonelly appears to be nothing more than a good decision. His knowledge of the rules and other aspects of his experience from working in the MLB offices could help Nutting navigate through the rules and other aspects of the rebuilding of the Pirates (maybe finding certain loopholes).
    Personally I think MLB and Bud Selig highly recommended Frank to Bob Nutting who likely had NO clue whatsoever on who was good or bad amongst CEO possibilities.

    There's no doubt that bud and MLB want to see the Pirates turn around. It's good for business, it's good for revenue and the sport if teams like the Pirates become competitive. competition is good for any sport. Granted, Bud and MLB wil only go so far to promote competition but that's another can of worms Frank was rumored to be high up on a chain of Commish replacements, so he was definitely high up there in regards to qualifications for a CEO man.

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    Finder couldn't hold DK's notepad. He reported last night on the PBC blog that the Pirates signed a minor league FA named Anthony Norman.. that news has been out at least since Tuesday!

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    Finder couldn't hold DK's notepad. He reported last night on the PBC blog that the Pirates signed a minor league FA named Anthony Norman.. that news has been out at least since Tuesday!
    I agree. Finder is definitely a little slow copying and pasting compared to DK But he's considered a "utility man" for the Pg anyways, so I realistically and logically expect a less than stellar job from the "backup"

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