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    What did yinz think? Wasn't that just odd? I've been watching NFL football for a while. Never saw that before.
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    Ben Roethlisberger(notes) attempted a quarterback sneak on 4th and 1 against the Browns late in the second quarter of Sunday's game, and in the jumble of arms, legs and sweaty torsos, it was hard to tell if he got the required distance.
    The play was close enough to warrant a measurement, and the picture above is a screenshot of that measurement. The guy pulled the big first down stick, the ball wasn't quite there, so no first down, correct?
    Incorrect, as it turns out. The official, Walt Anderson, looked at what you're seeing above, and he ruled that it was a first down. The Steelers ended up getting a field goal out of it.
    Odd. I would use a stronger word, but the Steelers were going to beat the Browns, regardless of that first down or the ensuing field goal. It didn't affect the outcome.
    For whatever it's worth, here was how Anderson explained it, via Tony Grossi at the Cleveland Plain Dealer:
    Anderson told a pool reporter that the tip of the ball penetrated the plane of the marker's stake. He said the angle of the camera shot on TV might not have shown it, but he's sticking to his call.
    I guess I can't completely rule out camera trickery, but that would have to be one seriously cockeyed angle. From what I see above, that appears to be a pretty straight-on shot of the football. Maybe it's a few degrees off of center, but it doesn't seem to be by much.
    I know that officials aren't going to get every call right, and that's fine. The ones where you're provided with a handy stick for measuring purposes, though ... those, you should probably get right. You don't have to decide anything on those. You just have to look.
    And that does not look like a first down to me.

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    Very strange indeed... But yea, it had to of been the camera angle...
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    It was a ****ty spot anyway....

    Now the brownies can whine about this and that field goal against the bungles.


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    But we should have got the TD plays later...so................
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    The call that makes me really ask WTF is Clark's interception at the end of the game.

    His momentum carried him into the end zone.

    He was not officially down until a brownie touched him.

    If a brownie hadn't touched him, he could have gotten up and returned the ball as far as he could get.

    A brownie officially downs him in the end zone and it was ruled a touch back (properly).

    Then it is over turned and the ball was spotted on the 1 yd line.



    Tomlin was ****ED about that call in the post game interview.

    He said something to the sort of 'If anyone can tell me what that was all about I would love to hear the answer. I will be waiting for that answer too.'


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    Officiating in general has really hit a brick wall in professional sports.
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    Its almost like pro wrestling refs at this point. You are always waiting for the guys in stripes to screw your team...you just don't know when it will happen.

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    Its almost like pro wrestling refs at this point. You are always waiting for the guys in stripes to screw your team...you just don't know when it will happen.
    For the Steelers,its more often than not.

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAxsgBYFPaw[/ame]

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    Pause it at 12 seconds.

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    Pause it at 12 seconds.
    What??It was just the weird camera angle.

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    The camera is on an angle of about 30 degrees.

    The chains were a little far off from the ball too.

    They usually get them a little closer during a measurement.

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    It was short.

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    Ok, I just re-watched and it is more like 20 degrees.

    Oh well...

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    I have watched 35+ years of football and have witnessed 10 to 15 measurements every Sunday the same exact way. Never once, where I can remember, has the camera angle come into question. This was just plain weird.

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