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    Ok, so ST is rounding the corner and we're headed toward the first week of April. We've talked about the 5th starter. We've talked about the bench. We've talked about the bullpen and 1B/RF. The interesting thing is that we really have not truly addressed the SS position.

    Bobby Crosby vs. Ronny Cedeno.

    Crosby has looked good this spring. In my opinion has looked better than Cedeno. When he first came up he had power potential and could hit well...he got injured and lost that. He looks decently healthy this spring so far. He's hit 3 HR and 9 RBI while hitting .276.

    Certainly ST numbers are really not that significant nor are they truly telling about how one will do during the regular season. However he has looked strong and thus the question is this:

    Crosby or Cedeno?
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    Default Re: Crosby vs. Cedeno

    It does(thankfully) we already know the answer to this - Ronny Cedeno. It's his job to lose and Management wants to give him a fair chance to succeed or fail like Jeff Clement. Much like Church is for Clement as fall back options, Bobby Crosby is that for Ronny Cedeno.

    That said, you know my feeling on ST stats. Eliminate ST numbers and look at what both of these guys have done at the MLB level and outside of Crosby's big time fluke rookie year 5-6 years ago, they are very similar players. Cropsby is likely slightly better defensively, but not much to make any difference between the 2.

    I think too many people are looking at ST stats as a final answer and IMO that is a mistake. Just like the Delwyn Young argument. Nobody was even thinking about Young prior to him having a good ST and now all of the sudden;y he's being appointed as a fan favorite to win a starting job and his actual performance and results in meaningful games against meaningful competition is being throw out the window and intentionally ignored.

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    I like what Delwyn Young is, a nice bat off the bench. He's one of those guys that's never showed enough power to be a corner bat and he's not good enough defensively to be a middle infielder or centerfielder. What I would like to see is him become adequate defensively so he could be a backup at 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and the corner outfield spots. That's likely his niche. As far as Cedeno and Crosby, I agree with Kip, it's Cedeno's job to lose. If he plays like he did last year, he'll be on the bench by the end of may and Crosby will play from there forward.

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    "...in the second, it unraveled quickly. Cedeno, the incumbent shortstop, made errors on consecutive grounders, the second an apparent double-play ball that would've ended the inning. ...

    Cedeno muffed a backhand attempt on Jose Molina with one out in the second. Then, with Joey Gathright batting, he simply dropped another routine grounder -- one that would most likely have been the start of an inning-ending double play. That opened the door to the three-run inning,..."

    Maybe Cedeno at SS isn't a done deal yet...

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    Default Re: Crosby vs. Cedeno

    I believe that Crosby is 30 now, and you would think if his bat was going to come around it would have by now, Cedeno i think is 27, and has show some pretty good flashes with the bat. So my vote is Cedeno unless he becomes an error machine, then id rather see Crosby play defense and get a lucky hit now and again.

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    I believe that Crosby is 30 now, and you would think if his bat was going to come around it would have by now, Cedeno i think is 27, and has show some pretty good flashes with the bat. So my vote is Cedeno unless he becomes an error machine, then id rather see Crosby play defense and get a lucky hit now and again.
    Wasn't there some excuse for Crosby's poor hitting? Like a back injury or something? I can't recall.
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    Aren't the Dodgers dangling an Asian SS that we were rumored to be going after awhile back? I was reading about him (can't remember his name...bugging the hell outta me) and he's good defensively. I was wondering why we're not going after him.

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    Wasn't there some excuse for Crosby's poor hitting? Like a back injury or something? I can't recall.
    Well i found this one from 2006
    http://articles.sfgate.com/2006-11-22/sports/17321546_1_fracture-stress-bobby-crosby/2

    i also found reports of a calf strain that put him on the DL, im really having a hard time finding an injury history on him.

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    Aren't the Dodgers dangling an Asian SS that we were rumored to be going after awhile back? I was reading about him (can't remember his name...bugging the hell outta me) and he's good defensively. I was wondering why we're not going after him.
    Ching Hing-Lu or something like that.

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    Aren't the Dodgers dangling an Asian SS that we were rumored to be going after awhile back? I was reading about him (can't remember his name...bugging the hell outta me) and he's good defensively. I was wondering why we're not going after him.
    You mean Chin-lung Hu ? I don't think he hits much. The Pirates have a similar player in Argenis Diaz in the minors.
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    Wasn't there some excuse for Crosby's poor hitting? Like a back injury or something? I can't recall.
    There's always been an excuse for Crosby not being able to hit. Problem is that outside of hitting 22 homers in his rookie season (has never hit double digits since) despite batting in the 220's and having 1 season (2005) hitting .276, the guy hasn't hit above .239 in a season.
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    There's always been an excuse for Crosby not being able to hit. Problem is that outside of hitting 22 homers in his rookie season (has never hit double digits since) despite batting in the 220's and having 1 season (2005) hitting .276, the guy hasn't hit above .239 in a season.
    I'd almost rather have a Mendoza-style SS than have the new Dr. Strangeglove (Cedeno) providing nightly thrills. Too much of this team's fortunes rests on defense, given the pitching staff. To put it another way I'd rather see the Pirates lose 3-2 than 8-4; any offensive advantage Cedeno has over Crosby isn't worth what we've seen in the field the past couple of days.
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