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    Sayanora Iwamura?

    "I just re-did the computation on Neil Walker's service time, and by my calculations, May 20 is the date where he will not be able to get 172 days this season.

    Told by management before the season that he would be groomed as a utility player, Walker played about equally in left field, second base and first base the first month of the season. This has changed, though, since Walker's excellent offensive numbers have opened eyes both among the Pirate faithful and in the front office.

    He has played 2B every day exclusively for a week now, and this has forced Argenis Diaz and Brian Friday into sharing the shortstop position. The only logical explanation for this would be that Walker is being prepped for a call up and second base will be his primary position.

    First question to you: Who should be sent down when Walker comes up?

    Should they designate Delwyn Young for assignment? This would effectively replace DY with Walker in the utility role and allow him some starts to play himself into the position.

    Should they release Akinori Iwamura? Since Aki is not going to be a long term solution and seems to have no trade value, is it better to try to hold onto whatever value Delwyn Young has to the org instead of risk losing him?

    Should they option Jeff Clement? This would avoid losing DY and still hold out the hope of a return for Aki. Pearce would get the majority of starts at 1B and they could get another long look at him through June or July.
    Second question to you: Who should bat lead off if Walker plays second base?"
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    Dejan's post this afternoon

    "Walker's tear continues
    THURSDAY, 13 MAY 2010 15:01 WRITTEN BY DEJAN KOVACEVIC

    Just a quick note from the minors this afternoon ...

    Neil Walker went 4 for 5 with his 15th and 16th doubles -- the latter figure leading the Class AAA International League -- and an RBI in Indianapolis' 8-3 rout of visiting Rochester this afternoon.

    Walker's average is .338, including his ongoing eight-game hitting streak in which he is 14 for 36."

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    Sayanora Iwamura?

    "I just re-did the computation on Neil Walker's service time, and by my calculations, May 20 is the date where he will not be able to get 172 days this season.

    Told by management before the season that he would be groomed as a utility player, Walker played about equally in left field, second base and first base the first month of the season. This has changed, though, since Walker's excellent offensive numbers have opened eyes both among the Pirate faithful and in the front office.

    He has played 2B every day exclusively for a week now, and this has forced Argenis Diaz and Brian Friday into sharing the shortstop position. The only logical explanation for this would be that Walker is being prepped for a call up and second base will be his primary position.

    First question to you: Who should be sent down when Walker comes up?

    Should they designate Delwyn Young for assignment? This would effectively replace DY with Walker in the utility role and allow him some starts to play himself into the position.

    Should they release Akinori Iwamura? Since Aki is not going to be a long term solution and seems to have no trade value, is it better to try to hold onto whatever value Delwyn Young has to the org instead of risk losing him?

    Should they option Jeff Clement? This would avoid losing DY and still hold out the hope of a return for Aki. Pearce would get the majority of starts at 1B and they could get another long look at him through June or July.
    Second question to you: Who should bat lead off if Walker plays second base?"
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    Aki's .169 average can not be continued for much longer, Young can pinch hit, Aki's time is growing short as it should be.

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    Sayanora Iwamura?

    "I just re-did the computation on Neil Walker's service time, and by my calculations, May 20 is the date where he will not be able to get 172 days this season.

    Told by management before the season that he would be groomed as a utility player, Walker played about equally in left field, second base and first base the first month of the season. This has changed, though, since Walker's excellent offensive numbers have opened eyes both among the Pirate faithful and in the front office.

    He has played 2B every day exclusively for a week now, and this has forced Argenis Diaz and Brian Friday into sharing the shortstop position. The only logical explanation for this would be that Walker is being prepped for a call up and second base will be his primary position.

    First question to you: Who should be sent down when Walker comes up?

    Should they designate Delwyn Young for assignment? This would effectively replace DY with Walker in the utility role and allow him some starts to play himself into the position.

    Should they release Akinori Iwamura? Since Aki is not going to be a long term solution and seems to have no trade value, is it better to try to hold onto whatever value Delwyn Young has to the org instead of risk losing him?

    Should they option Jeff Clement? This would avoid losing DY and still hold out the hope of a return for Aki. Pearce would get the majority of starts at 1B and they could get another long look at him through June or July.
    Second question to you: Who should bat lead off if Walker plays second base?"
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    Aki's .169 average can not be continued for much longer, Young can pinch hit, Aki's time is growing short as it should be.

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    Matt Bandi from the Pittsburgh Lumber Co. chimes in in favor of a Walker for Aki change...

    "There were two main reasons for the Pirates’ acquisition of Akinori Iwamura over the offseason. First of all, he was an easily attainable league average second baseman. Additionally, that was something the team desperately needed, because there were no acceptable internal options for second base. Delwyn Young was coming off a season in which he hit .266/.326/.381 as a 27-year-old, and he was awful defensively. Andy LaRoche could have moved to second, but that would have just created a hole at third base. These were the only choices.

    Iwamura has been awful with the Pirates. He is currently hitting .169/.267/.246, good for a .243 wOBA. He is providing absolutely zero offense for the team. Now, looking strictly at the statistics, those numbers should improve. Iwamura is walking more than ever, and his strikeout rate is nearly identical to his career mark. His BABIP currently sits at .196, which is about 130 points lower than should be expected. With a normalized BABIP, he could easily be looking at a respectable season wOBA in the .320-.325 range. However, from watching Iwamura, I’m not sure the numbers tell the whole story. Anecdotally, he seems to be hitting a large amount of slow rollers, balls that have very little chance of sneaking through the infield. Then again, who knows what my mind is subjectively recalling.

    There are no such positive indicators regarding Iwamura’s defense. He has been absolutely dreadful. Both UZR and Plus/Minus rate him as the worst second baseman of 2010 (very small sample size alert!), and my eyes tell me that the numbers are fairly accurate. His range has been virtually non-existent. There are a multitude of possible reasons for this. Maybe his knee is still bothering him. Maybe his knee is fine, but he is still mentally tentative from the injury. This seems to be Neal Huntington’s theory. Maybe he is still battling the sore ankle that hampered him earlier in the season. Maybe he is out of shape, or maybe he is just getting old. Whatever the reason, realistically, I just don’t see any sudden improvement being made.

    While Iwamura has struggled immensely, Neil Walker has experienced a resurgence at Triple-A Indianapolis. After going 4 for 5 with two doubles yesterday, Walker is hitting .338/.399/.602. His walk rate is up, he is hitting for power, and he has even stolen nine bases in as many attempts. Since last August 11 (the day Walker complained that he was not receiving an opportunity because he was a Littlefield player), he has hit .332/.386/.579 at Triple-A.

    The Iwamura trade made sense at the time, but things have changed. Even if we factor in expected positive regression, Iwamura is likely to provide slightly below average production for the season. At 31-years-old and on a one-year contract, that’s just not very valuable. If there were no other options, the front office could easily stick with Iwamura for the remainder of the season. He will improve and probably be an adequate, albeit mediocre, stopgap at second base. But the Pirates now have the 24-year-old Walker tearing up Triple-A (finally) and deserving a shot at the major league level. Although it is unfair to categorize the Iwamura trade as a poor personnel decision, it is time to treat his acquisition as a sunk cost and do what makes the most sense for the team moving forward. That means replacing Iwamura with Walker.

    Walker played a variety of positions for Indy early in the season, but he has started the past six consecutive games at second base. Frequent Pirates blog commenter MarkInDallas has come up with May 20 as the earliest date that Walker could be recalled without accruing a full season of service time. It seems like Walker may be on his way to Pittsburgh very soon."
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    I'm higher on Andrew Young than the rest of you. Release Iwamura. Bring up Walker. Keep Young.

    Trade Doumit. Jaramillo starts and one of the AAA guys comes up.

    Play Pearce and send Clement to the minors for a spell.

    Could be Tabata time, from what I read?! Jones and Pearce could battle for first base.

    And of course, if Crosby and Church are not producing, send them packing and bring up the next round of try outs.

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    Who's Andrew Young? Is that Delwyn's alter ego?

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    Who's Andrew Young? Is that Delwyn's alter ego?
    No he used to be the Mayor of Atlanta & UN ambassador

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    I am woundering what would happen if Walker would take over 2nd and succed. We always thought that was Andy`s job once Alverez came up.

    Doumit I think gets moved to teams like Rays and Rangers need to upgrade Cather.

    DY has hit 240 since last june is barely passable at 2nd, he has no future with us,

    Jones should play 1st, Pearce is a good defense 1stbasemen and might have a job as a backup but can not hit ML pitching.

    Church and milledge, make them split duties for the rest of the year.
    I do think Clement goes down to AAA and works on what Long has told him to.

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    I'm higher on Andrew Young than the rest of you. Release Iwamura. Bring up Walker. Keep Young.

    Trade Doumit. Jaramillo starts and one of the AAA guys comes up.

    Play Pearce and send Clement to the minors for a spell.

    Could be Tabata time, from what I read?! Jones and Pearce could battle for first base.

    And of course, if Crosby and Church are not producing, send them packing and bring up the next round of try outs.
    Hope you don't mean Delwyn Young? He can't hit either not to mention that a one armed blind person could field better than Delwyn Young
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    Matt Bandi from the Pittsburgh Lumber Co. chimes in in favor of a Walker for Aki change...

    "There were two main reasons for the Pirates’ acquisition of Akinori Iwamura over the offseason. First of all, he was an easily attainable league average second baseman. Additionally, that was something the team desperately needed, because there were no acceptable internal options for second base. Delwyn Young was coming off a season in which he hit .266/.326/.381 as a 27-year-old, and he was awful defensively. Andy LaRoche could have moved to second, but that would have just created a hole at third base. These were the only choices.

    Iwamura has been awful with the Pirates. He is currently hitting .169/.267/.246, good for a .243 wOBA. He is providing absolutely zero offense for the team. Now, looking strictly at the statistics, those numbers should improve. Iwamura is walking more than ever, and his strikeout rate is nearly identical to his career mark. His BABIP currently sits at .196, which is about 130 points lower than should be expected. With a normalized BABIP, he could easily be looking at a respectable season wOBA in the .320-.325 range. However, from watching Iwamura, I’m not sure the numbers tell the whole story. Anecdotally, he seems to be hitting a large amount of slow rollers, balls that have very little chance of sneaking through the infield. Then again, who knows what my mind is subjectively recalling.

    There are no such positive indicators regarding Iwamura’s defense. He has been absolutely dreadful. Both UZR and Plus/Minus rate him as the worst second baseman of 2010 (very small sample size alert!), and my eyes tell me that the numbers are fairly accurate. His range has been virtually non-existent. There are a multitude of possible reasons for this. Maybe his knee is still bothering him. Maybe his knee is fine, but he is still mentally tentative from the injury. This seems to be Neal Huntington’s theory. Maybe he is still battling the sore ankle that hampered him earlier in the season. Maybe he is out of shape, or maybe he is just getting old. Whatever the reason, realistically, I just don’t see any sudden improvement being made.

    While Iwamura has struggled immensely, Neil Walker has experienced a resurgence at Triple-A Indianapolis. After going 4 for 5 with two doubles yesterday, Walker is hitting .338/.399/.602. His walk rate is up, he is hitting for power, and he has even stolen nine bases in as many attempts. Since last August 11 (the day Walker complained that he was not receiving an opportunity because he was a Littlefield player), he has hit .332/.386/.579 at Triple-A.

    The Iwamura trade made sense at the time, but things have changed. Even if we factor in expected positive regression, Iwamura is likely to provide slightly below average production for the season. At 31-years-old and on a one-year contract, that’s just not very valuable. If there were no other options, the front office could easily stick with Iwamura for the remainder of the season. He will improve and probably be an adequate, albeit mediocre, stopgap at second base. But the Pirates now have the 24-year-old Walker tearing up Triple-A (finally) and deserving a shot at the major league level. Although it is unfair to categorize the Iwamura trade as a poor personnel decision, it is time to treat his acquisition as a sunk cost and do what makes the most sense for the team moving forward. That means replacing Iwamura with Walker.

    Walker played a variety of positions for Indy early in the season, but he has started the past six consecutive games at second base. Frequent Pirates blog commenter MarkInDallas has come up with May 20 as the earliest date that Walker could be recalled without accruing a full season of service time. It seems like Walker may be on his way to Pittsburgh very soon."
    http://pittsburghlumberco.com/?p=2847
    what's it going to hurt? Maybe Walker is at that age where he's finally getting "it"? Might as well find out. It's not like some other young guy is going to get blocked
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    YEAH.........DELWYN.......!..........

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    Would have been nice to bring up Walker at C but of course that ship has sailed. Thanks DL !

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    CHICAGO -- First baseman Steve Pearce was sent to Northwestern University hospital on Friday afternoon and underwent an MRI on his right knee. The results were negative, and he's listed as day-to-day.
    Pearce exited Friday's 10-6 victory over the Cubs after feeling a pop behind his knee and then complaining of soreness in that spot. The injury occurred while Pearce was on first base after drawing a fifth-inning walk.

    Pearce felt the pop, manager John Russell said, as he took off for second on a foul ball hit by shortstop Ronny Cedeno. Pearce called for the Pirates' trainers, and he tested his leg out with a few sprints up the right-field foul line. He remained in the game for a few more pitches, but after Cedeno walked, Pearce was removed for a pinch-runner, pitcher Zach Duke.

    By the time the game ended, Pearce was unavailable for comment.

    Pearce was making his fourth start for the team since being called up on May 4. He entered the game 2-for-13, but tallied his first RBI of the season with a first-inning sacrifice fly off Tom Gorzelanny.

    Pirates stand behind Iwamura in lineup
    CHICAGO -- Akinori Iwamura hasn't come anywhere close to meeting the offensive expectations the Pirates had of the infielder when they acquired him over the offseason. Still, manager John Russell said he will continue starting the struggling second baseman, hopeful that Iwamura can start to find the offensive success similar to his time in Tampa Bay.

    "We are looking for him to relax and just do what he's capable of doing," Russell said. "He's done it in the past. We just need him to relax and let it happen."

    Iwamura's start has been extremely disappointing. He continues to hit primarily from the leadoff spot, despite a .161 batting average and a .255 on-base percentage. Those numbers have been even worse recently, as Iwamura, who went 0-for-6 on Friday vs. the Cubs, has gone just 2-for-41 since the start on May.

    With the hits not falling, why not just take Iwamura out of lineup altogether? There's a few reasons why the Pirates have opted not to do this just yet. Iwamura's lengthy track record shows that he has hit everywhere he's been, and the organization isn't ready to concede that Iwamura can't still do that with Pittsburgh. Also, the decision to stick the team's highest-paid player on the bench is never one made lightly.

    "While Iwamura's standard statistics are not at the levels we anticipated, his objective numbers indicated a heavy slant toward small sample size and bad luck over regressing skills," general manager Neal Huntington said. "One such metric is his BABIP [batting average on balls in play], which is below .200 for 2010 to date, while his prior low single season was .337. Combine small sample size with changing leagues and recovery from a significant injury, and it is way too early to begin to panic about Aki's performance to date."

    Furthermore, Russell hasn't seen anyone else step up to seriously challenge Iwamura for the chance to play every day. Delwyn Young, who could play the position, has hit just .194 as a starter this season. Backup infielder Bobby Crosby is hitting only .211 when in the starting lineup.

    "We've tinkered with the lineup a little bit, and it's not like anybody else is really doing a lot either," Russell said. "We've got to do this as a team. It's not one guy. Aki not getting on base is not the whole reason why we're not scoring runs. We've got to be careful pointing the finger at one guy or even two guys."

    What this doesn't address are the Pirates' two other potential long-term options, neither of which the Bucs have tapped into yet. There have been discussions about moving Andy LaRoche to second when top prospect Pedro Alvarez is ready for the Majors. To this point, LaRoche has not taken grounders at second. That suggests he's not going to be making that transition soon.

    The other option is Neil Walker, a former first-round Draft pick who is thriving down at Triple-A Indianapolis. Walker is leading the International League with 45 hits, but management's apparent disappointment with Walker's attitude and effort could postpone his callup, even though the Pirates appear to have a need.

    Donnelly progressing after latest session
    CHICAGO -- Right-hander Brendan Donnelly (left oblique strain) threw a 25-pitch bullpen session off the Wrigley Field mound on Friday and reported feeling physically fine afterward. Donnelly is scheduled to throw a second side session on Sunday before pitching in a simulated game during Pittsburgh's upcoming series in Philadelphia.

    If all goes as expected, the Pirates plan to activate Donnelly off the disabled list when they return home later next week. Donnelly last pitched on April 27 against Milwaukee.

    In other injury news:

    Manager John Russell said he plans to insert outfielder Ryan Church back into the starting lineup on Saturday. Church has been nursing a bruised right wrist since being hit by a pitch on May 7. He is cleared to pinch-hit, and Russell said that Church has improved enough over the past few days that he could take multiple at-bats on Friday if needed.

    Shortstop Ronny Cedeno returned to the Pirates' lineup after missing Wednesday's game with a sore left wrist. Cedeno suffered a bruised wrist after getting hit by a pitch from Reds starter Johnny Cueto on Tuesday.

    Updates from down on the farm
    CHICAGO -- Here are some notable items from down on the farm:

    The Pirates plan to promote right-hander Bryan Morris to Double-A Altoona soon, which shouldn't come as much of a surprise given his dominance at high Class A this season. Morris has not allowed an earned run in any of his past four starts (26 innings) and has surrendered three in 40 2/3 total innings. The right-hander has struck out 36 and walked five in Florida State League play.

    Right-hander Quinton Miller remains shut down with biceps tendinitis and is expected to miss about a month more of action. Miller, a 20th-round selection in the 2008 First-Year Player Draft, made two starts for low Class A West Virginia before being sidelined with the injury. He allowed one run on five hits in six innings.

    With a four-hit game on Thursday, Triple-A utility player Neil Walker pushed his season average up to .338. Twenty-three of his International League-leading 45 hits have gone for extra bases, and Walker has driven in 24. With 43 hits, Walker's teammate, Jose Tabata, is second among league leaders in that category.

    Left-hander Donnie Veal made his shortest start of the season on Thursday, lasting just 4 2/3 innings and giving up three earned runs on six hits. Veal struck out six to up his season total to 28 in 37 2/3 innings.

    Worth noting
    According to the Elias Sports Bureau, three times this season one team has recorded at least 14 more hits than its opponents. Twice, the Pirates have been on the wrong end of that distinction. Pittsburgh was outhit, 25-8, by Milwaukee on April 22. They were then outhit, 15-1, by the Reds on Tuesday. ... Friday's game marked the first of 20 games in 20 days for the Pirates, whose next off-day is scheduled for June 3. ... The "You score as the Bucs score" promotion kicked off on Friday. The Pirates will tally up each run scored by the team in its three-game series vs. the Cubs and take that off the price of a $24 right- or left-field box-seat ticket when the Pirates host the Braves from May 21-23. A limited number of tickets have been set aside for this promotion. More details can be found at: www.pirates.com/howmanyruns.

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    It really does look like Walker time!

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