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    Default Apparently, Seattle's manager pressured Griffey to call it quits...

    Griffey felt pressured by Wakamatsu?
    Ken Rsoenthal
    Jun 3, 2010

    Read his statement.

    Ken Griffey Jr. chose his words carefully, saying “ . . . nobody in the Mariners’ front office has asked me to retire . . .”

    Griffey specifically avoided mention of manager Don Wakamatsu — and not by accident.

    Wakamatsu, according to three major-league sources, asked Griffey about retirement at least once in recent weeks.

    Wakamatsu, in a telephone interview Wednesday night, would not reveal the specifics of any talk with Griffey, but said he did not pressure him to retire.

    “I won’t be quoted talking about any private conversation I had with a player,” Wakamatsu told FOXSports.com.

    “In no way would I ever force a player of that magnitude to retire. This was Ken’s decision. I would honor Ken and his career and never even approach that.”

    But Griffey, 40, apparently got the impression that Wakamatsu no longer wanted him on the team.

    On Wednesday, Griffey ended his career after 21-plus seasons, including the past two with the Mariners under Wakamatsu.

    “While I feel I am still able to make a contribution on the field, and nobody in the Mariners’ front office, has asked me to retire, I told the Mariners when I met with them prior to the 2009 season and was invited back, that I will never allow myself to become a distraction,” Griffey said in his statement.

    “I feel that without enough occasional starts to be sharper coming off the bench, my continued presence as a player would be an unfair distraction to my teammates and their success as a team is what the ultimate goal should be.”

    Griffey, 40, made his last appearance Monday night, hitting into a fielder’s choice as a pinch-hitter in a 5-4 loss to the Twins. He had not started since May 23, when he went 0-for-3 with a walk and run scored in an 8-1 loss to the Padres.

    His ineffectiveness — Griffey was batting .184 with zero homers and seven RBIs in 98 at-bats — put Wakamatsu in a difficult spot, particularly with the Mariners struggling offensively.

    Wakamatsu also was in the uncomfortable position of dealing with a future Hall of Famer at the end of his career. Any attempt by Wakamatsu to probe Griffey’s mindset might have been interpreted by Griffey as pressure from the manager to retire.

    Mike Sweeney, 36, usurped Griffey’s playing time at designated hitter in recent weeks, batting .310 with six homers and 14 RBIs in May. Griffey initially seemed comfortable with a reduced role; he did not expect to play every day when he re-signed with the Mariners last November. But by the end, he had virtually no role at all.

    Griffey’s departure was not acrimonious, despite his apparent differences with Wakamatsu. Griffey goes back with club president Chuck Armstrong more than 20 years, and the two sides plan a long-term relationship now that Griffey’s playing days are over.

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    Default Re: Apparently, Seattle's manager pressured Griffey to call it quits...

    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/column...son&id=5247355

    If Ken Griffey Jr. had stayed healthy …
    How many home runs might he have hit ... 700 ... 750 ... more than Barry Bonds?


    There is no tougher question to answer in life than this:

    What if?

    So why do we find ourselves asking it today -- asking it about one of the greatest players we've ever laid eyes on, George Kenneth Griffey Jr.?

    We should be looking back at this man and celebrating what was, right? Because what was, by any measure, was beautiful and magical and historic.

    Those 630 home runs -- that's what was. Only four other players in history hit more than that, and let's just say you wouldn't have any trouble recognizing those four players if they sat down next to you at lunch.

    Those 10 Gold Gloves -- that's what was, too. The only outfielders who ever lived who won more were Willie Mays and Roberto Clemente. And we'd pay just to watch those three guys shag fly balls in batting practice, wouldn't we?

    That 600-homer, 10-Gold Glove package -- that's what was. Only Mays and Griffey belong to that esteemed club.

    Those 13 All-Star Games Ken Griffey Jr. was elected to start -- put that in the old "what was" column, too. How many outfielders in history ever won that many All-Star elections? Not a one. Amazing.

    So that tells us what Ken Griffey Jr. was, all right: beloved, charismatic, mesmerizing, special. We'll never forget him for that.

    But what makes this man's legacy so unique and complicated is that other question:

    What if?

    What if all That Stuff hadn't kept happening to him? The fractured wrist. The torn labrum. The dislocated patella. The torn hamstring. The hand he broke at home one winter.

    What if he'd stayed as healthy as, say, Alex Rodriguez? Or Hank Aaron? Or Willie Mays?

    What if he'd been ripping off 150-game seasons every year instead of all those 111-game seasons and 53-game seasons and 70-game seasons?

    What kind of legacy would we be talking about then?

    We'll never know, of course. We can't know. It's impossible to know.

    We learned this week that it's possible to go back in time and sell tickets to a game that has already been played (i.e., Roy Halladay's perfect game). But we also learned it wasn't possible to give out free rides in the handy-dandy time machine with every ticket. And it still isn't.

    So let's accept that reality before we go forward here, OK? We'll never know. We can't know. It's impossible to know what Ken Griffey Jr.'s final numbers might have looked like.

    But just for fun, we can do a little math. Why not?

    We'll keep this as simple as possible. We're just going to look at home runs and home runs alone. No point in calculating projected OPS or theoretical VORP here. We think we're safe in assuming you wouldn't care even if we could.

    But how many home runs would Ken Griffey Jr. have hit if he had only stayed reasonably healthy? Now THAT'S a fun exercise. And a meaningful one. So on with the calculation show.

    First, we broke his career down into three segments:

    The first five years (1989-93)

    • Games played: 734
    • Times on disabled list: 2
    • Games missed: 66

    The Seattle years, Part 2 (1994-99)

    • Games played: 801
    • Times on the disabled list: 2
    • Strike-shortened seasons: 2
    • Games missed due to injury: 95
    • Games missed due to strike: 68

    The 21st century (2000-10)

    • Games played: 1,136
    • Times on the disabled list: 8
    • Games missed: 392

    So how did we calculate games missed? We looked at every season, and any time Griffey missed a game here or a game there, we chalked it up to a regular old day of rest. But any time he missed two games in a row or more, we threw those into the "games missed" column.

    The only exception was this year, when he was clearly sitting for other reasons. We ignored those games completely.

    So now that we have that part figured out, we can move along to the fun part -- translating "games missed" into "home runs lost."

    Here's how we did that:

    In those first five years, from 1989-93, Griffey averaged a home run in 4.2 percent of his plate appearances.

    In the next six years, from 1994-99 -- the biggest power seasons of his career -- he averaged a home run in 7.4 percent of his plate appearances.

    In what we'd call his Cincinnati period, from 2000-08 (which includes his two months with the White Sox), he averaged a home run in 5.3 percent of his plate appearances.

    And in 2009, his Seattle homecoming, he averaged a home run in 4.2 percent of his plate appearances.

    So that leaves us with just one job, figuring out What Might Have Been if this guy had been playing, not hanging out with the trainer. Ready? Here it comes:

    1989-93: Plate appearances lost: 280; home runs lost: 12

    1994-99: Plate appearances lost: 682; home runs lost: 50

    2000-08: Plate appearances lost: 1,570; home runs lost: 83

    2009: Plate appearances lost: 39; home runs lost: 2

    2010: A season of irrelevance

    So get your calculators out now. If we've calculated this correctly, a fully healthy Ken Griffey Jr. would have hit another 147 home runs in his career. Add those 147 homers to 630 and what do you get? You get 777 -- or 15 more than Barry Bonds.

    Now, just about nobody stays healthy for 22 straight seasons, obviously. So our friend, home run historian David Vincent (aka the Sultan of Swat Stats), thinks Griffey's realistic total of home runs lost would fall somewhere between 100 and 125.

    But even if we use his total, we'd be talking about a man with 730 and 755 career home runs. And we're willing to bet that if Griffey were just a handful of homers away from breaking Bonds' all-time record, he'd still be in uniform -- somebody's uniform.

    You can argue that theory if you'd like. But first, you'd better factor in how hard America would be rooting for One of the Clean Players to expunge Bonds from the record book.

    That, however, is a discussion for another time. The discussion for this time, though, is astonishing when you think about it.

    Here we have one of four players in history to hit 600 homers, one of three outfielders in history to win three Gold Gloves, the only outfielder in history to be elected to start 13 All-Star Games -- and we're still wondering WHAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN?

    Digest that thought for a moment.

    A couple of years ago, we had a chance to ask Griffey himself if he ever thinks about that question -- What Might Have Been?

    "Never," he said.

    "Why not?" we asked.

    "Because it doesn't matter," he replied.

    And he's right, naturally. But the fact that we're asking anyway still tells us something about what this man represented in our time.

    He was still one of the two or three greatest players any of us ever saw play, from beginning to end. But …

    He easily could have been in the argument for Greatest Player Ever. Easily.

    All if we'd never had to ask one the most difficult questions in life:

    What if?

    So today, we're just sorry we have to ask it all about the great George Kenneth Griffey Jr.

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    Default Re: Apparently, Seattle's manager pressured Griffey to call it quits...

    This was posted on a Cincy sports-talk site by one of their radio personalities named Lance McCallister...

    How I'll remember Jr



    My memory of Ken Griffey Jr. has nothing to do with what he did on the field.

    Instead it's all about what he did in a hospital room.

    Eight years ago, when my son Casey was two, he was diagnosed with AML Leukemia.

    One afternoon the phone rang in Casey's room at Children's Hospital.

    It was a friend of mine who said, "Jr heard about Casey and wants to stop by and see him...is that ok?

    The friend added, "He's going to come in a side door. Please don't tell anyone he's coming."

    About an hour later Jr arrived. He spent 30-minutes hanging out in the room.

    I'll always remember that we talked nothing about baseball.

    The conversation was all about kids and family. His face just lit up. It was dad to dad and dad to child.

    He asked Casey what he liked to watch on TV and what games he had.

    We talked about his kids and how they never slept in and loved making noise in the morning.

    He was so at ease and in his element talking about kids....not about himself.

    He brought Casey a Jr. jersey, Nike backpack, wrist bands, a visor and a new baseball glove.

    Jr. left out the side door that day...never looking for attention or to score PR points.

    Whenever I would see Jr after that he would always ask how Casey was doing.

    Casey still has all those items Jr gave him.

    In fact, he throws that backpack over his shoulder and takes it to school each day.

    I think about that day every morning when Casey leaves for school and every night when Casey goes to bed.

    The picture above is framed and hanging above Casey's bed.
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    Default Re: Apparently, Seattle's manager pressured Griffey to call it quits...

    Here's another interesting aspect of it all....

    SHOULD JUNIOR GET A CHANCE TO PLAY IN THE ALL-STAR GAME?

    It's a question asked by David Brown of Yahoo Sports. I say yes, but first take away the influence it has on the World Series. After that, do it. He's still very popular with fans. He's still on the ballot. I say if he's voted in, allow him to play, if he so chooses, which I'm guessing he won't. In 1992, the NBA gave Magic Johnson a chance to play in the All-Star game three months after he announced he had been diagnosed with HIV. His appearance provided some awesome moments that I'll never forget. If he's up for it, and fans vote for him, what's the harm? It's too bad they've taken the game and tried to attach meaning to it, stripping it of what could be a fun little moment like Junior taking a few final hacks.
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    Default Re: Apparently, Seattle's manager pressured Griffey to call it quits...

    If it's true, it's a ****ed shame. Some dude who nobody is going to remember in 5 years pressured one of the greatest players in the history of the sport to quit? Shameful.
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