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    I didn't get the chance to see tonights game but I saw that Daniel Mccutchen had 6 BB's!?!?!?! WTF? Here's my problem. Daniel Mccutchen is a control pitcher. Look at his Minor League numbers. Look at his BB/9. It's niormally below 2 which is exceptional. Look at him at the MLB level and it's like the guy suddenly cannot find the strike zone. Look at his numbers just this year in the minors. His BB/9 is up over 2 and his K/9 is way down.

    Lincoln had some control issues at the MLB level which he's carried back to the minors. Same thing with Morton and we're seeing a reduction in K/9 stats too with a lot of guys as BB/9 inflates. It's not like it's getting rectified big time at the minor league level either.

    Does anyone want to take a stab at the problem? Is the problem something in the drinking water? Is it all on Joe Kerrigan? Ray Searage? I'd say lack of talent but it's happening to too many pitchers and seems to be getting worse. It's why I'm being shy about really liking us picking up a James McDonald with a history of sub-par control numbers.

    Whatever the hell it is it needs to change. **** poor control results in absolute failure
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    IMO, if they are regressing at the major league level, it is Kerrigan. Granted, he has had his share of success, but when you have worked with some of the pitchers he has, how good of a coach do you really have to be? Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens could make a blind one-eyed retarded monkey look like a genius of a pitching coach. It is time for him to go and for the Pirates to try and lure a Guy like Tom Glavine to the position. NH needs to think outside the box on this one and I think Glavine would do a great job.
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    I'd be more inclined to go after someone like Hershiser. Leo Mazzone wouldn't be a bad fit either.

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    IMO, if they are regressing at the major league level, it is Kerrigan. Granted, he has had his share of success, but when you have worked with some of the pitchers he has, how good of a coach do you really have to be? Randy Johnson, Pedro Martinez and Roger Clemens could make a blind one-eyed retarded monkey look like a genius of a pitching coach. It is time for him to go and for the Pirates to try and lure a Guy like Tom Glavine to the position. NH needs to think outside the box on this one and I think Glavine would do a great job.
    Just because a player was a good pitcher doesn't mean they would make a good coach. It's just like the place, people get promoted all of the time to management positions based on their "work" when the position calls for someone strong in communication, teaching, organization etc...

    Glavine has never coached. I don't want him coaching.
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    I'd be more inclined to go after someone like Hershiser. Leo Mazzone wouldn't be a bad fit either.
    Hershieser wouldn't take a pitching coach job. He resigned from one at Texas to take a front office job and somehow ended up on sunday Night Baseball. I don't think he'll leave that cushy job unless he rbecame a Head Coach/Manager which he was passed over for in Oakland and Los Angeles I believe.

    I wouldn't mind Mazzone. Some say however that he was pretty ineffective with Baltimore and lost his touch.
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    Hershiser is someone who would be on my short list as a replacement for Russell.

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    I think Glavine took a front office job with the Braves. Not sure if he even wanted to go into coaching.

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    Note that Smizik wrote today NH should have stopped after acquiring Snyder!

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    Smizik has about as much baseball sense as DL. I assume he thinks lopez carrasco and dotel could pitch effectively for the next 3 years. I can only also assume he has no idea what "minor league depth" is or is used for. I am highly suprised that he even liked the snyder trade, as i would have figured he thinks we should pay doumit for not playing defense or offense.

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    I think the Bucs should've stopped after trading Dotel.

    However, for Bob to call these trades a salary dump is a stretch, imho.

    I see Ledezma got bombed...so much for that change in delivery helping him.

    Mazzone quit being an effective pitching coach when he quit coaching Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz.

    Dave Kerwin must go!!

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    im all for changing pitching coaches, but i really cant think that he screwed the new guys up in one day.

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    I think the Bucs should've stopped after trading Dotel.

    However, for Bob to call these trades a salary dump is a stretch, imho.

    I see Ledezma got bombed...so much for that change in delivery helping him.

    [HIGH-LIGHT]Mazzone quit being an effective pitching coach when he quit coaching Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz. [/HIGH-LIGHT]

    Dave Kerwin must go!!

    [HIGH-LIGHT]This[/HIGH-LIGHT] amzing How Talent can make a Pitching coach look Good & less talent makes them look bad Huh ?This

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    From Dejan today:

    "...McCutchen, 1-5 with a 7.94 ERA, has yet to prove his stuff plays at the major league level and, in this one, appeared determined to avoid contact in issuing all the walks. He generally has good command.

    McCutchen, though, acknowledged being uncharacteristically cautious.

    "I pitched different than I usually do," he said. "I wanted to stay off the middle of the plate, try to stay out of the big inning. I would have liked to have thrown more strikes. Most times, if I get ahead, 2-0, I'll play the percentages and know that they hit .300 in that count and, seven out of 10 times, they'll be out. Tonight, I tried to not live in the middle of the plate, not give them anything they could hit a long ways."

    Probably a good idea: McCutchen had given up 10 home runs in his first 28 1/3 innings, and the only one on this night was to the great Pujols."
    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10213...#ixzz0vN9F1QWo

    Regardless... Kerrigan sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tocchet92 View Post
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    From Dejan today:

    "...McCutchen, 1-5 with a 7.94 ERA, has yet to prove his stuff plays at the major league level and, in this one, appeared determined to avoid contact in issuing all the walks. He generally has good command.

    McCutchen, though, acknowledged being uncharacteristically cautious.

    "I pitched different than I usually do," he said. "I wanted to stay off the middle of the plate, try to stay out of the big inning. I would have liked to have thrown more strikes. Most times, if I get ahead, 2-0, I'll play the percentages and know that they hit .300 in that count and, seven out of 10 times, they'll be out. Tonight, I tried to not live in the middle of the plate, not give them anything they could hit a long ways."

    Probably a good idea: McCutchen had given up 10 home runs in his first 28 1/3 innings, and the only one on this night was to the great Pujols."
    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10213...#ixzz0vN9F1QWo

    [HIGH-LIGHT]Regardless... Kerrigan sucks.[/HIGH-LIGHT]
    Umm No the Starting Pitching SUCKS !!

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    Umm No the Starting Pitching SUCKS !!
    No? Does the fact that the starting pitching sucks absolve Kerrigan from blame?

    The starting pitching sucks and Kerrigan exacerbates the problem.

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