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    Default Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    Remember what I said in my " Happy days are here again " thread ....Dream all you want but there are no guarantees with draft picks especially pitchers.

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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    YIKES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He has a VERY destructive throwing Motion

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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    Seems like the guys that throw hard (consistently above 95 MPH) are more susceptible to injuries that require TJ surgery. That got me thinking that Tailion and Allie ought to be glad that they're in the Pirates org because the Pirates seemed to very careful about pitchers having repeatable motions with good mechanics and they micromanage pitch counts and innings for their prospects.

    Anyone else think that perception is accurate? In lieu of all of the TJ surgeries of the home-grown Pirates pitching prospects, I cannot seem to recall any that came under the Huntington regime. Can anybody recall a TJ surgery of a prospect under NH (Hart doesn't count)? I guess flamethrowers like Allie, Tailion, Cain and Pounders will reveal if the Huntington regime has brought some improvements in this area.

    (Victor Black is a hard-throwing prospect with arm trouble and drafted by NH).

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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

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    Seems like the guys that throw hard (consistently above 95 MPH) are more susceptible to injuries that require TJ surgery. That got me thinking that Tailion and Allie ought to be glad that they're in the Pirates org because the Pirates seemed to very careful about pitchers having repeatable motions with good mechanics and they micromanage pitch counts and innings for their prospects.

    Anyone else think that perception is accurate? In lieu of all of the TJ surgeries of the home-grown Pirates pitching prospects, I cannot seem to recall any that came under the Huntington regime. Can anybody recall a TJ surgery of a prospect under NH (Hart doesn't count)? I guess flamethrowers like Allie, Tailion, Cain and Pounders will reveal if the Huntington regime has brought some improvements in this area.



    (Victor Black is a hard-throwing prospect with arm trouble and drafted by NH).
    EHHH Not Really!! Compare Tailion & Allie's Throwing Motion to Strasburg's & you'll see the Difference. When I 1st saw him throw on TV I thought WOW He is going to Have TJ surgery with that throwing Motion !! Nolan Ryan NEVER had any problems & he threw as Hard or Harder than any Pitcher

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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    So, what do you guys think...

    If the Pirates had drafted Strassburg, would it have made a difference? I suspect it probably wouldn't have. If (hypothetically) the Huntington regime had drafted Strasburg out of HS and developed him, I think that would have made a difference.

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    Nolan Ryan NEVER had any problems & he threw as Hard or Harder than any Pitcher
    So?? What's your point? You can name a pitcher who thew hard and didn't need TJ? Good for you.

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    So?? What's your point? You can name a pitcher who thew hard and didn't need TJ? Good for you.
    No I just was saying Pitching motion is more of the cause than throwing 95 MPH or Higher

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    No I just was saying Pitching motion is more of the cause than throwing 95 MPH or Higher
    Ok, fair enough.

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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    Our luck is changing. Our pitchers won't need TJ anymore. They are all going to be perfectly healthy, rise through the system, and dominate.

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    Our luck is changing. Our pitchers won't need TJ anymore. They are all going to be perfectly healthy, rise through the system, and dominate.
    This is absolutely true and also the moon is made of cheese.

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    Default Strasburg Done.. Having Tommy Johns Surgery

    WASHINGTON -- Stephen Strasburg has a torn elbow ligament and will likely have Tommy John surgery, bringing the pitcher's promising rookie season to an abrupt end.
    Washington Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo said Friday an MRI on the right elbow revealed a "significant tear."

    Strasburg will travel to the West Coast for a second opinion, but Rizzo anticipates the 22-year-old right-hander will need the operation that requires 12 to 18 months of rehabilitation.

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    "As you can imagine, he was initially upset," Rizzo said. "But he has really turned himself from being upset to being focused on his rehabilitation. He's determined to get the surgery done and begin the process of rehabilitation."

    Strasburg was pulled from Saturday's game at Philadelphia when he grimaced while grabbing and shaking his wrist after throwing a changeup to Dominic Brown.
    The Nationals initially called the injury a strained flexor tendon in the forearm, but an MRI taken Sunday raised enough questions for the Nationals to order a more extensive MRI in which dye is injected into the arm.

    The No. 1 overall pick in the 2009 draft, Strasburg signed a record $15.1 million contract a year ago. He struck out 14 batters in a sensational major league debut in June and was quickly drawing huge crowds everywhere, drawing gasps with his 100 mph fastballs, bending curves and wicked batter-freezing changeups.

    He went 5-3 with a 2.91 ERA and 92 strikeouts in 68 innings with the Nationals, who have kept him on strict pitch counts and had planned to shut him down once he reached about 105 innings.

    But he has had medical setbacks despite the team's best efforts to be as cautious as possible. He was placed on the disabled list a month ago because of inflammation in the back of his right shoulder.

    He was making his third start since returning from the DL when he had to leave the game against Philadelphia.

    "The player was developed and cared for in the correct way, and things like this happen," Rizzo said. "Pitchers break down, pitchers get hurt and we certainly are not second-guessing ourselves. ... Frustrated? Yes. But second-guessing ourselves? No."

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    Rizzo said doctors believe Strasburg hurt himself on a particular pitch, as opposed to a gradual buildup. When Strasburg grimaced in game at Philadelphia, he told the team he had felt something similar at San Diego State and had continued to pitch through it.
    Doctors have decided that what happened in college was unrelated to the ligament tear.

    Even so, Strasburg has been saying this week he is strong enough to pitch.
    "Stephen felt pretty good and still feels OK," Nationals president Stan Kasten said. "And that's why this has been so confounding."

    Strasburg is an intense, competitive pitcher. He wasn't thrilled with having to start the season in the minors or with the restrictions the Nationals placed on him. Now he faces the realistic prospect of not pitching again until 2012.

    The injury is the last thing the woebegone Nationals needed. The franchise is on pace for its fifth last-place finish in six years since relocating from Montreal, and Strasburg was seen as the centerpiece of the rebuilding. Attendance has been disappointing at Nationals Park since it opened in 2008. Strasburg, however, generated rare sellouts in his first few home starts.

    Strasburg was informed of the diagnosis Thursday night, but the Nationals chose not to announce the news because it would have upstaged the introductory news conference for 2010 No. 1 draft pick Bryce Harper.

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    Coincidentally, Thursday's game marked the return of Jordan Zimmermann, another young Washington pitching prospect who had Tommy John surgery a year ago. His counterpart, Chris Carpenter of the St. Louis Cardinals, has also had the operation.
    "I look at the bright side," Rizzo said. "Tommy John surgery is a surgery that we've had great success at. The success rate for guys coming back from Tommy John and retaining their stuff is very good. We saw two examples of it on the mound yesterday at Nationals Park."

    Indeed, dozens of major leaguers have had the surgery since Dr. Frank Jobe performed the first one on Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher Tommy John in 1974.

    "That's the modern miracle of what doctors can do to put people back together," Twins manager Ron Gardenhire said recently after a game that featured Tommy John returnees Francisco Liriano and Tim Hudson. "We all know the arm takes a beating. Goodness gracious, we saw two guys who were both throwing the ball 90-plus mph with sliders and stuff. That's because some doctors did some really good jobs."

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    Default Re: Strasburg Done.. Having Tommy Johns Surgery

    They can try to be as optimistic as they want but the numbers are really against Strasburg achieving the dominant potential he had before the TJ. Realistically he'll never be the same pitcher.

    Those are the risks of pitching. Look at all of the money the Nats gave him and they might not ever get that value in return
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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    Just merging threads. Didn't see this one started since i didnt look in the Pittsburgh Pirates discussion section.

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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

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    Remember what I said in my " Happy days are here again " thread ....Dream all you want but there are no guarantees with draft picks especially pitchers.
    I preached this danger months ago. Even had a cross blog discussion going. Me and Benny had a nice debate at the time..

    Call it a hex, call it some crazy voodoo or whatever you want BUT when you pick pitchers in the Top 3 of a draft something goes wrong with them. Maybe some were overdrafts but even when they are legit guys, something happens. This isn't to suggest that Strasburg is going to be a bust like the majority of pitchers picked high but it's to be determined whether he'll be a Top 3 pitcher production wise in the future post TJ.

    I like the Pirates approach of taking a prep arm higher because I don't trust college coaches. In strasburg's case it was something that the Nat's organization didn't pick up but in any case I like that the Pirates will have Taillon on their system during a period where his body will grow, along with his mental side and he'll be developing pretty much everything at once. The Pirates minors leagues don't care about winning championships as much as they care about developing players properly ...

    but there's still that hex.
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    Default Re: Strasburg out 12-18 months for TJ surgery

    This is truly sad for baseball. Strasburg is such a talent...and to see him, like many before him, possibly have to sit out a year or two (we'll see after the second opinion but it looks pretty definite that he'll have to have TJ surgery) it really is just sad.
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