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    Default John Russell: Yea or Nay?

    I honestly don't have an opinion on this. One part of me says that John McGraw, Connie Mack and Casey Stengel couldn't make chicken soup out of this chicken droppings bunch of bungling Buccos. Then I read about that moronic shift back in May/June, batting Gallagher with a full pen available and runners on in a game that he's behind in, and going months without really dealing with the base stealing being perpetrated against his pitchers/catchers. It's all very confusing so I ask those who have joined me bellied up to this bar:

    Does he deserve another season?

    Will he get another season? (A totally different question from the one already asked.)

    Is he the right man for the job considering that the Pirates will be a "developmental team" into the foreseeable future?

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    Default Re: John Russell: Yea or Nay?

    I'm not impressed, talent or no talent.

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    I'm not impressed, talent or no talent.

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    Default Re: John Russell: Yea or Nay?

    As Mr Ed would say "Neigh".

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    I seriously doubt he is back. If he is NH might as well kiss his job goodbye.

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    I honestly don't have an opinion on this. One part of me says that John McGraw, Connie Mack and Casey Stengel couldn't make chicken soup out of this chicken droppings bunch of bungling Buccos. Then I read about that moronic shift back in May/June, batting Gallagher with a full pen available and runners on in a game that he's behind in, and going months without really dealing with the base stealing being perpetrated against his pitchers/catchers. It's all very confusing so I ask those who have joined me bellied up to this bar:

    Does he deserve another season?

    Will he get another season? (A totally different question from the one already asked.)

    Is he the right man for the job considering that the Pirates will be a "developmental team" into the foreseeable future?

    1. No

    2. I hope not

    3. No, and this is the key. If the team was showing improvement and not making dumb mistakes, and if he made some good sound managerial decisions, then I could be talked into letting him stay. I don't think that he's the problem, but he doesn't exactly appear to be an answer either. He's gotta go.

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    Default Re: John Russell: Yea or Nay?

    While Russell hasn't been given both the greatest amount of talent nor a very stable team with all of the changes he's had to endure yearly, I also haven't seen a guy that's gotten the most out of what he does have and that to me is one of the coaches biggest responsibility. I've seen far too much underperforming and underachieving. I've seen too much lacking of focus and lack of preparation out there. these are areas where the coach is a big factor. It's his job to prepare his players and teams and when they often look lost or out of it etc... the coach isn't doing something right to the message across.

    so I say "nay" BUT ... it doesn't mean we don't need to fix some positional holes. We also need to make sure that we are replacing these coaches with better candidates for the type of team we are putting together. A coach that can teach and motivate who isn't a stiff on in-game management.
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    [HIGH-LIGHT]While Russell hasn't been given both the greatest amount of talent nor a very stable team with all of the changes he's had to endure yearly,[/HIGH-LIGHT] [HIGH-LIGHT]I also haven't seen a guy that's gotten the most out of what he does have and that to me is one of the coaches biggest responsibility. I've seen far too much underperforming and underachieving. I've seen too much lacking of focus and lack of preparation out there[/HIGH-LIGHT]. these are areas where the coach is a big factor. It's his job to prepare his players and teams and when they often look lost or out of it etc... the coach isn't doing something right to the message across.

    so I say "nay" BUT ... it doesn't mean we don't need to fix some positional holes. We also need to make sure that we are replacing these coaches with better candidates for the type of team we are putting together. A coach that can teach and motivate who isn't a stiff on in-game management.

    That right there sums up the Russell era.

    Well said.

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    That right there sums up the Russell era.

    Well said.
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    I also haven't seen a guy that's gotten the most out of what he does have and that to me is one of the coaches biggest responsibility
    I thought you were talking about Bruce Arians for a minute there.....

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    I thought you were talking about Bruce Arians for a minute there.....
    That's one of the few things you can't say about arians especially looking at Mendenhall'[s YPC last eyar, Ben's yardage and TD stats and the WR numbers under Arians.

    ..producing points on the other hand.

    JR's not really done either. Maybe we can look at what Walker and Tabata have done and Cutch last season
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    Default Re: John Russell: Yea or Nay?

    He has to go because it is such a mess, but I am not convinced that , when he has no power hitters and no starting pitching, that it's really his fault. I stand by my thoughts from the spring, that the GM had not upgraded at all from the previous year. Why, really, did anyone expect this team to NOT lose 100 games, when the only players of consequence brought in to contribute were other teams' castoffs? Where were the power hitters Russel was supposed to "motivate?" Jeff Clement? Lastings Milledge? And who were the starting pitchers, whose track records gave any evidence that they could be "motivated" to suddenly be good? Zach Duke? Charlie Morton?

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    That's one of the few things you can't say about arians especially looking at Mendenhall'[s YPC last eyar, Ben's yardage and TD stats and the WR numbers under Arians.
    Our entire offense is built to gain huge chunks of yards between the 20's. Without a redzone offense that is meaningless. And no i don't think Arians knows how to get the most out of the specific skill sets of individual players, i think he forces players to play a specific role that he creates vs. creating roles around their skills.

    Anyway, back to this topic, JR blows.

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    Default GOOD BYE JR

    Not really much to say. He can't possibly expect to be back next year.

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    Our entire offense is built to gain huge chunks of yards between the 20's. Without a redzone offense that is meaningless. And no i don't think Arians knows how to get the most out of the specific skill sets of individual players, i think he forces players to play a specific role that he creates vs. creating roles around their skills.

    Anyway, back to this topic, JR blows.
    The facts don't really support you. I hate Arians too but he at least has milked a lot of individual performances to get a lot of big numbers. How his offense is designed doesn't matter if those indivudal results are met. Russell has struggled to get those on top of getting point/run production that neither him or Arians can produce
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