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    Default Michael Vick's lessons for Big Ben

    Updated: September 30, 2010

    Michael Vick's lessons for Big Ben

    By Johnette Howard
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    Ben Roethlisberger has had some time to sit and reflect. Has he learned anything?


    There's a pretty convincing mountain of evidence that athletes are no different than politicians, rock stars, teachers, bankers, pancake house waitresses, you, me, your neighbor Vinny and possibly everyone sitting under lock and key right now at Rikers Island when it comes to this: We all tend not to learn enough from each other's mistakes and triumphs. We just don't.

    So maybe it's wishful thinking to imagine that Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has spent his four-game NFL suspension diligently taking notes on Michael Vick's career renaissance, now that Roethlisberger is the next athlete coming down the disgrace-to-"redemption" conveyor belt and is about to get spat back into public life.



    With his star on the upswing, Michael Vick has said the right things.


    Vick's comeback with the Philadelphia Eagles isn't some redemption story as much as it's a case study about being a star interrupted or, more accurately, a man gone overboard. And the same is true of Roethlisberger, a two-time Super Bowl champion-turned-recovering lout who will report back to work Monday to a Pittsburgh Steelers team that could be 4-0 without him if it beats division archrival Baltimore on Sunday at Heinz Field. The Steelers' startling success -- one and a half games of it achieved with fourth-string quarterback Charlie Batch -- has led to a spate of taunting headlines like, "Ben Who?"

    The idea that either Vick or Roethlisberger could take a hiatus from the NFL and return to his previous level of play isn't all that outrageous considering how good they were. But the possibility that either of them could change substantially as human beings -- at least enough to limbo under the low-hanging bar of not getting in trouble again -- now, that's where their stories intersect and get interesting.

    There's a lot Roethlisberger could learn from Vick's resurrection -- starting with how to deal with success on the field and contempt caused by missteps off it.

    Both Vick and Roethlisberger have blamed the onset of fame, stardom and money at too young an age for distorting them. That old lament. It's still too soon to say with complete confidence that Vick has made genuine and wholesale change as a person just because he's now 2-0 and he's wrestled the quarterback job away from planned Philadelphia starter Kevin Kolb heading into Sunday's game against the Redskins and ex-Eagle quarterback Donovan McNabb. (McNabb is making his first return to Philly since the Eagles traded him to Washington. His rap sheet only includes failing to win the Eagles a Super Bowl.)

    But what Roethlisberger could crib from Vick already is Vick's striking comportment through it all. Because Vick has been **** near pitch perfect the past four weeks.

    The better things have gone, the more Vick has seemed to stay the same: Low-key. Gratified, but not giddy. Humble and still preaching perspective. The cheering for Vick has gotten louder and louder, and yet Vick still never acts as if all is forgiven.

    So far, anyway, Vick is behaving like a guy who's been through hell and doesn't want to go back. He talks about leading a "zero-tolerance life." He's confessed to feeling nervous, vulnerable, remorseful and grateful to the Eagles, who didn't begrudge him this second chance.

    On the field, Vick is again the most electrifying player in the NFL. But off the field, it's as if there's this palpable melancholy that Vick carries around with him now, and it tinges his voice in conversation, it seems to limit how much he allows himself to smile even when talking how unexpectedly "great" this season is turning out. The emotion he throws off isn't over-the-top joy as much as utter relief. Considering what he was convicted of, Vick deserves no medals for this. But it beats staying the man he was.

    Vick has often said he always thought he could lead a team again, but he wasn't sure anyone would ever give him another opportunity. That's a roundabout way of acknowledging this: Who has ever trusted the keys of a billion-dollar NFL franchise to a convicted felon who nearly sank his previous team?

    "I needed to change my life," Vick said again this week.

    Roethlisberger has uttered the same words.



    Ben Roethlisberger will return to a team that has won in his absence. So far he's said the right things, too. Will that continue?


    But does he mean it?

    Even before the second sexual assault accusation against him, this one by a 20-year-old college student who told police Roethlisberger might have raped her in the bathroom of a bar, Roethlisberger had run afoul of friends, teammates, coaches and peers around the league. Once that allegation became public, other ugly stories bubbled up. People said that by the time he won one Super Bowl, then another, Roethlisberger had become a swaggering, increasingly stuck-up boor, a coarse man who could turn ugly when drinking, a faux team leader who was aloof and disliked even in his own locker room. A story even ricocheted around Pittsburgh about how octogenarian golf legend Arnold Palmer dressed Roethlisberger down for behaving badly at a local country club.

    Roethlisberger now admits even his close-knit family had become put off by him.

    "My dad said to me about a month ago, 'It's good to have my son back,'" Roethlisberger told Pittsburgh TV station WTAE in April. "That killed me because my dad's been my best friend. For him to say that to me really let me know I wasn't who he raised me to be."

    It was one of the few extended interviews Roethlisberger gave before he began serving his NFL suspension, and he often sounded as if some negative spell had been broken.

    Of course, the interview was set up by a public relations handler who no doubt prepped Roethlisberger.

    The piece was aired one day after the Georgia Bureau of Investigation released 60 audio and video clips associated with its 500-page investigation.

    Remember, too, that quarterbacks are reared to take the blame for everything without letting it have a dampening effect on their egos. So, again, we'll see.

    Already, the Steelers are bracing for the swarm of attention that will follow Roethlisberger's return Monday. Linebacker James Harrison has already growled he doesn't want Roethlisberger seen as some one-man team who will save them.

    The idea that almost any failing is forgotten in sports so long as a player performs well on the field is hardly some new Faustian bargain.

    But if that's all Vick or Roethlisberger re-discover after all that's happened, they won't have learned much of anything.

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    Wow!!If that isn't the biggest piece of **** article I've ever read.So,what this ******bag is saying is that when Vick "says the right things" he means it,but Ben doesn't???What garbage.

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    Thanks for posting, Hawaiian! Now for the vitriol...

    Johnette: Is that a post-operative name? What a pile of festering ********!
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    Wow!!If that isn't the biggest piece of **** article I've ever read.So,what this ******bag is saying is that when Vick "says the right things" he means it,but Ben doesn't???What garbage.

    check out this latest ESPN poll...


    Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

    23% McNabb
    32% Ben
    45% Vick


    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flash ... llId=98480

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    We all know Ben screwed up royally, But I am so sick of the Michael Vick vindication story. If Vick was truly this rehabbed person would have he hosted his own gala birthday party where a person ended up getting shot? Even if he wasn't involved, isn't he supposed to be associating himself with a different sort of people now?


    And to the author, "Johnette" For effect you should have added (allegedly from an unnamed source) that Roethlisberger sold poisoned milk to school children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
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    check out this latest ESPN poll...


    Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

    23% McNabb
    32% Ben
    45% Vick


    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flash ... llId=98480
    good god what the **** kind of stupid *** sports fans are out there!!!

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    Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

    23% McNabb
    32% Ben
    45% Vick
    McNabb gets lumped in with Vick and Ben? What did he do wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawaiiansteeler View Post
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    check out this latest ESPN poll...


    Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

    23% McNabb
    32% Ben
    45% Vick


    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flash ... llId=98480
    These polls have 0% validity, there is no objectivity to them at all.
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    McNabb gets lumped in with Vick and Ben? What did he do wrong?
    he lost 4 championship games and one superbowl

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    he lost 4 championship games and one superbowl
    and yes he did puke in the Super Bowl

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    [QUOTE=hawaiiansteeler;111049]check out this latest ESPN poll...


    Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

    23% McNabb
    32% Ben
    45% Vick



    I'll take Ben every day of the week, especially on Sundays...


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    check out this latest ESPN poll...


    Who would you rather have as your starting QB?

    23% McNabb
    32% Ben
    45% Vick



    I'll take Ben every day of the week, especially on Sundays...

    wait i thought it was vick that had the issues wth dogs

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    good god what the **** kind of stupid *** sports fans are out there!!!
    The kind that have an extremely short memory! A lot of sports fans are just plain dumb too. A guy has a couple of good games and suddenly he's better than a 2 time Super Bowl winning QB. If Vick throws a couple of picks and loses his next game, suddenly he'll suck and they'll decide to vote for someone else in a different poll. It's the same stupidity as trying to pick who is going to win the Super Bowl after only 3 weeks. SBXLV=Steelers vs. Bears!!!! If that would actually happen, I'll have to come back to this post in February and rub all your noses in it!

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    **** Vick!

    He is the poster child of the NFL! Goodell has taken it as a personal goal to make Vick be an NFL success story......a feel good story!

    He appointed Tony Dungy to mentor Vick and the NFL is hell bent to make sure the Vick story ends all nice and comfy.

    **** Vick.......he will probably undo the NFL's efforts due to his dumb *** character! he could proove me wrong and if he does I take my hat off to him.......but rest assured he will get the full effort of the NFL to cover his stupidity and give him every chance in the world to succeed......even if it means bending the rules a just a bit.

    **** VICK!

    Vick and McNaab are both OVER-RATED! Niether could hold Ben's jock when it comes to football!

    **** VICK!
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    **** Vick!
    X2...

    X3...

    and X4...

    ... I can't stand the freakin' punk... Don't like him and never will...
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