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    Steelers players vote to decertify union

    Wednesday, October 06, 2010
    By Ed Bouchette, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


    Steelers players this afternoon voted unanimously to decertify their union, after a meeting with NFL Players Association leaders at the team's UPMC training facility.

    DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the union, met with players after practice today and then took a vote to decertify the NFLPA.

    Smith has been taking such votes as he meets with players around the league and so far, in a handful of votes, all have been unanimous.

    The union is making the move to decertify as a procedural effort in case the NFL owners lock the players out when the current collective bargaining agreement expires next March.

    The NFLPA decertified as a union in 1987 after the last players' strike, a move that eventually proved successful in their attempts to forge a new CBA that resulted in free agency in 1993.

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    Steelers vote to decertify union in case of a lockout

    By Carl Prine and Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Wednesday, October 6, 2010


    The Steelers voted unanimously Wednesday to decertify the NFL Players Association as their union, a move designed to send a message to team owners threatening a lockout that the players remain united.

    The vote came after a surprise visit Tuesday by NFL vice president for player development Troy Vincent, the former NFLPA president who has been accused of colluding with owners to scuttle the union when he was in it.

    In Pittsburgh to record the decertification vote, union executive director DeMaurice Smith alleged the NFL was using Vincent and former NFL Alumni director George Martin to divide players. Smith said the ploy won't work.

    "Players have been warned from Day One that the NFL and the owners always try to turn players against other players. It continues," Smith said. "Sending two former union members who are now on their payroll to talk about 'life skills,' talk about a strike instead of a lockout and avoid the whole issue of the NFL canceling player health care is insulting."

    Outgoing Steelers union representative Charlie Batch and new rep Ryan Clark echoed Smith.

    "It was confusing to me and my teammates as to why they would send NFL employees in to talk about life skills during this time," Batch said.

    Vincent, 39, was hit in July with a subpoena seeking information about his communications with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and others. The subpoena is tied to a lawsuit by Mary Moran, the union's former director of human resources who claims she was fired because she served as a confidential witness for the Department of Labor during its ongoing investigation into allegations of tampering and retaliation.

    NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the union also has issued subpoenas to Goodell and Vincent seeking depositions about the allegations, but the NFL isn't a party in the lawsuit.

    Aiello said neither Vincent nor Martin represented "the NFL in contract negotiations or in any aspect of collective bargaining." He insisted owners would continue to work to get a deal done before the collective bargaining agreement expires in March.

    As long as the union exists and players work under a negotiated CBA, owners can retain antitrust exemptions such as revenue sharing and wage caps uniquely provided to professional sports teams by Congress. But if the union commits suicide before March, players can sue the NFL to block a threatened lockout.

    That threat to eliminate the union has been reinforced in recent weeks by decertification votes by the New Orleans Saints, Cincinnati Bengals, New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys and Green Bay Packers, among other teams.

    "We are well aware that the union is traveling the country making preparations to be in position to decertify and go out of business," Aiello said. "Our focus is on negotiating a new agreement with the union. The longer it goes, the tougher it will be, and we are not even sure if this union plans on continuing to be a union."

    Minnesota antitrust attorney Clark C. Griffith, a former part-owner of the Twins who served on Major League Baseball's Players Relations Committee, said it likely won't get to that point. He said the drum roll of decertification votes actually signals a loud statement of solidarity by the players not necessarily a workable strategy.

    "It's merely P.R.," said Griffith, who teaches sports law at William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul. "The people they're negotiating with know it's a sham. People in the sports industry know it's a sham."

    Not so fast, said George Atallah, the union's external affairs director. Decertification is a non-story now, he said, but come March it might be important. Two years after a busted strike, the union decertified in 1989 but reorganized four years later after winning concessions from owners on free agency and other issues.

    That 1993 CBA initiated an era of labor peace that lasted until 2008, when owners voted to scrap the agreement and force a potential March lockout.

    "Decertification is just one option we have," Atallah said. "It doesn't mean it's what we'll do. It's important, however, that we do the votes now and not in March, and we're holding these annual meetings with every team anyway."

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    What does that mean?

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    What does that mean?


    Updated: October 6, 2010, 4:58 PM ET

    Steelers players vote to decertify

    Associated Press


    PITTSBURGH -- Pittsburgh Steelers players have voted to give the NFL Players Association their backing to decertify the union in the event of a labor lockout next year.

    The Steelers are at least the 10th group of players to vote to decertify if necessary, joining players from the Packers, Bengals, Bills, Colts, Cowboys, Saints, Eagles, Redskins and Giants. The vote, with no apparent dissenters, occurred during an hour-long meeting with NFLPA executive director DeMaurice Smith that followed practice Wednesday.

    By disbanding their union, the players could sue the NFL under antitrust laws if there is a lockout. A similar move following a 1987 labor impasse led to the 1993 agreement that created free agency.

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    But what does that mean?

    I read the article. It seems like a forced loophole. Generally, courts recognize these kinds of moves as designed to prevent (or promote) some legal action and disregard it.

    If they disband the union, it should stay disbanded.

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    But what does that mean?

    I read the article. It seems like a forced loophole. Generally, courts recognize these kinds of moves as designed to prevent (or promote) some legal action and disregard it.

    If they disband the union, it should stay disbanded.


    Decertification would strip the union of its collective bargaining rights on behalf of the players, so the move might seem counter-intuitive. But since antitrust laws exempt NFL owners from being sued by unions that are negotiating CBAs, decertification would in essence eliminate the union and allow players to sue the league in the event of a lockout -- giving them potential leverage in their dispute with the owners.

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    Decertification would strip the union of its collective bargaining rights on behalf of the players, so the move might seem counter-intuitive. But since antitrust laws exempt NFL owners from being sued by unions that are negotiating CBAs, decertification would in essence eliminate the union and allow players to sue the league in the event of a lockout -- giving them potential leverage in their dispute with the owners.
    Makes sense. I think also that Sweetchuck was/is wondering why the players union should be allowed to reform if it disbands?
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    Makes sense. I think also that Sweetchuck was/is wondering why the players union should be allowed to reform if it disbands?

    this is from Wikipedia...the NFLPA has done this once successfully before so they must be allowed to re-form again after disbanding.


    "The National Football League Players Association, or NFLPA, is the labor union of players in football's National Football League. It was founded in 1956, but only achieved recognition and a collective bargaining agreement in 1968. After a lost strike in 1987, the union was formally decertified, converting into a professional association in order to pursue antitrust litigation designed to win free agency for its members. When that tactic worked it re-formed as a union and resumed collective bargaining with the league in 1993."

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    Makes sense. I think also that Sweetchuck was/is wondering why the players union should be allowed to reform if it disbands?
    Right.

    I'm not a lawyer nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but it seems like an obvious technical diversion. I don't understand how the courts could recognize this as a legit move if they are allowed to immediately reform.

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    this is from Wikipedia...the NFLPA has done this once successfully before so they must be allowed to re-form again after disbanding.


    "The National Football League Players Association, or NFLPA, is the labor union of players in football's National Football League. It was founded in 1956, but only achieved recognition and a collective bargaining agreement in 1968. After a lost strike in 1987, the union was formally decertified, converting into a professional association in order to pursue antitrust litigation designed to win free agency for its members. When that tactic worked it re-formed as a union and resumed collective bargaining with the league in 1993."
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    Right.

    I'm not a lawyer nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night but it seems like an obvious technical diversion. I don't understand how the courts could recognize this as a legit move if they are allowed to immediately reform.
    Hmmm only thing I can think of is that it applies differently because this is an organized league? Got me. It's happened and obviously is allowed but I have no idea why
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    Maybe the NFL should disband during the lawsuit.

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    How is this any different from withdrawing your money from a 401k to hide it from a soon to be ex wife only to put it back in your account after the divorce? I would think the law is smarter then this and will use 1987 (disbanding) & 1993 (reformation) as an indication of the players real motive behind their disbanding. I can't see this being allowed to happen twice.

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    Not sure what it means, but I imagine its something like this.

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    Steelers vote to decertify union in case of a lockout
    By Carl Prine and Scott Brown, PITTSBURGH TRIBUNE-REVIEW
    Thursday, October 7, 2010

    [HIGH-LIGHT]The Steelers voted unanimously Wednesday to decertify the NFL Players Association as their union, a move designed to send a message to team owners threatening a lockout that the players remain united.[/HIGH-LIGHT]

    The vote came after a surprise visit Tuesday by NFL vice president for player development Troy Vincent, the former NFLPA president who has been accused of colluding with owners to scuttle the union when he was in it.

    In Pittsburgh to record the decertification vote, union executive director DeMaurice Smith alleged the NFL was using Vincent and former NFL Alumni director George Martin to divide players. Smith said the ploy won't work.

    "Players have been warned from Day One that the NFL and the owners always try to turn players against other players. It continues," Smith said. "Sending two former union members who are now on their payroll to talk about 'life skills,' talk about a strike instead of a lockout and avoid the whole issue of the NFL canceling player health care is insulting."

    Outgoing Steelers union representative Charlie Batch and new rep Ryan Clark echoed Smith.

    "It was confusing to me and my teammates as to why they would send NFL employees in to talk about life skills during this time," Batch said.

    Vincent, 39, was hit in July with a subpoena seeking information about his communications with NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and others. The subpoena is tied to a lawsuit by Mary Moran, the union's former director of human resources who claims she was fired because she served as a confidential witness for the Department of Labor during its ongoing investigation into allegations of tampering and retaliation.

    NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the union also has issued subpoenas to Goodell and Vincent seeking depositions about the allegations, but the NFL isn't a party in the lawsuit.

    Aiello said neither Vincent nor Martin represented "the NFL in contract negotiations or in any aspect of collective bargaining." He insisted owners would continue to work to get a deal done before the collective bargaining agreement expires in March.

    As long as the union exists and players work under a negotiated CBA, owners can retain antitrust exemptions such as revenue sharing and wage caps uniquely provided to professional sports teams by Congress. But if the union commits suicide before March, players can sue the NFL to block a threatened lockout.

    [HIGH-LIGHT]That threat to eliminate the union has been reinforced in recent weeks by decertification votes by the New Orleans Saints, Cincinnati Bengals, New York Giants, Dallas Cowboys and Green Bay Packers, among other teams.[/HIGH-LIGHT]

    "We are well aware that the union is traveling the country making preparations to be in position to decertify and go out of business," Aiello said. "Our focus is on negotiating a new agreement with the union. The longer it goes, the tougher it will be, and we are not even sure if this union plans on continuing to be a union."

    Minnesota antitrust attorney Clark C. Griffith, a former part-owner of the Twins who served on Major League Baseball's Players Relations Committee, said it likely won't get to that point. He said the drum roll of decertification votes actually signals a loud statement of solidarity by the players not necessarily a workable strategy.

    "It's merely P.R.," said Griffith, who teaches sports law at William Mitchell College of Law in St. Paul. "The people they're negotiating with know it's a sham. People in the sports industry know it's a sham."

    Not so fast, said George Atallah, the union's external affairs director. Decertification is a non-story now, he said, but come March it might be important. Two years after a busted strike, the union decertified in 1989 but reorganized four years later after winning concessions from owners on free agency and other issues.

    That 1993 CBA initiated an era of labor peace that lasted until 2008, when owners voted to scrap the agreement and force a potential March lockout.

    "Decertification is just one option we have," Atallah said. "It doesn't mean it's what we'll do. It's important, however, that we do the votes now and not in March, and we're holding these annual meetings with every team anyway."

    http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_703020.html
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    Someone explain this strategy.

    How does NOT having Union representation HELP negotiations with the Owners ?

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