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    The Tribune Review needs a Quality Penguins beat writer
    Lets do a quick review of the facts first



    Post-Olympic break DEFENSIVE SHOTS ALLOWED stats for last season. These stats account for the work performed after the Olympic tournament ended through the end of regular season. The Penguins allowed the 2nd fewest shots per game (26.1). This easy to find stat is the best indicator to how well or not so well a defense is playing. They had a very good defense last year.



    26.1 Shots allowed (2nd ranked in fewest shots allowed)



    So now that we have concluded that the defense was allowing a comparatively low amount of shots, we need to take a look at how the goalie was performing. The following teams are ranked by their SAVE PERCENTAGE from the Post-Olympic break through the end of the regular season.

    Pittsburgh .900 save percentage (28th worst ranking)



    The Pens finished the 2nd half of the season with a 28th worst save percentage. The Hawks finished with a poor SV % ranking of 29th. Now please think back to what were considered to be the strengths and question marks for the Hawks last year that was cited by most experts?
    Most would tell you that while the Hawks had a top notch defense, they were shaky at best in goal.
    Well, that should have applied to the Penguins as well.


    The Pens would also go on to finish the post season with allowing just 26 shots. Once again, they were 2nd to only Jersey in fewest shots allowed in both the 2nd half of the regular season as well as the entire post-season. The Hawks would finish with a solid ranking of 6th out of 16 playoff teams in fewest shots allowed. But Niemi raised his level of play and would finish the playoffs with a .910 SV Pct. Fleury would finish with a .891 SV pct.


    How big of a difference are .891 and .910 save percentages?

    Consider that when Fleury averages .910 or higher in a game, his team was 29-5 at one point last year. But when Fleury fell below .900, the Pens were 9-23 in those games near the end of the season.

    So far, Marc Andre Fleury has been below .900 in his first two games this season. His save pct is poor because he allows too many soft goals for which the defense isnít really responsible for anyway.

    The Penguins have become a team that is losing its ability to win a low scoring game.
    Here is the important part of all of this. Last Season the Penguins went 0-14 against the Top level regular season teams.

    When is the last time the defending champion lost all 14 games against the top 6 regular season teams? That just might be a record that is never broken again.

    While Fleury did not get the start in every one of those games, the following stats should explain how great of a problem they may have going forward.

    The Following teams are the top level teams (record wise) from last season. Listed next to each team are their goals allowed per game average against the top level teams. So for example, if you total up all the Goals allowed by the Canucks in games versus Jersey, Phoenix, Chicago, San Jose, Caps, and Pens, you will find that they allowed an average of 2.4 goals per game against those awesome teams.


    Vancouver 2.4 Goals Allowed

    New Jersey 2.2 Goals Allowed

    Phoenix 2.2 Goals Allowed
    Chicago 2.4 Goals Allowed

    San Jose 2.5 Goals Allowed

    Caps 2.7 Goals Allowed

    Pens 4.1 Goals Allowed



    The Penguins meanwhile allowed 4.1 Goals on Average against those 6 teams. That is about 1.5 goals on average more than what the other top teams allowed against the same set of top level teams.

    Inexcusable!

    It is absolutely hilarious listening to Rob Rossi break down every goal allowed and try to blame the defense as if no other goalie in the league has the same defensive breakdowns in front of him. Furthermore, he canít seem to comprehend that Fleuryís weak save percentage involves a season long sample size.

    Rob Rossi is the same guy last January that said Fleury would play great once March arrived. When Fleury didnít play well in March, Rossi said Fleury will play great in the playoffs. When Fleuryís struggles continued in the playoffs, Rossi told us not to worry because he plays his best in the biggest games. At which point Fleury gave up about 7 goals in 2 periods of play against Ottawa (game 6) and Montreal (game 7). Throughout this entire run, the most bizarre comment made by Rossi was that Fleury is a CLUTCH goalie as he related it to his game 6 performance against Ottawa.

    Clutch? Excuse me?

    The only thing that makes Fleury clutch is that his offense over the past few years has given him many more opportunities to be clutch! If Vokoun would give up 3 goals in the 1st period to Ottawa, he would be COOKED! His team isnít coming back from that. The Penguins on the other hand have shown to be capable of storming back to the lead after being down in games, thus giving Fleury yet another chance at being CLUTCH.

    Finally, if none of this is bad enough, Rossi would deliver yet another load of BS on the showdown Sunday Night where he said Fleury would be the first to tell you that he allowed a soft goal against the Habs on Saturday. But he fails to mention that Fleury DECLINED comment after Saturdayís game. Ha!

    I have absolutely no idea how certain people get paid in Pittsburgh to cover sports. The less you know is apparently the better . In the meantime thousands of fans are following him in the papers and on TV to get their team information.

    If you want to know why thousands of sports fans find themselves scratching their heads and wondering what went wrong after an upset loss to their favorite team, blame guys like Rossi who canít provide the correct information which eventually leads fans down the wrong path.

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    The Tribune Review needs a Quality Penguins beat writer
    Lets do a quick review of the facts first



    Post-Olympic break DEFENSIVE SHOTS ALLOWED stats for last season. These stats account for the work performed after the Olympic tournament ended through the end of regular season. The Penguins allowed the 2nd fewest shots per game (26.1). This easy to find stat is the best indicator to how well or not so well a defense is playing. They had a very good defense last year.



    26.1 Shots allowed (2nd ranked in fewest shots allowed)



    So now that we have concluded that the defense was allowing a comparatively low amount of shots, we need to take a look at how the goalie was performing. The following teams are ranked by their SAVE PERCENTAGE from the Post-Olympic break through the end of the regular season.

    Pittsburgh .900 save percentage (28th worst ranking)



    The Pens finished the 2nd half of the season with a 28th worst save percentage. The Hawks finished with a poor SV % ranking of 29th. Now please think back to what were considered to be the strengths and question marks for the Hawks last year that was cited by most experts?
    Most would tell you that while the Hawks had a top notch defense, they were shaky at best in goal.
    Well, that should have applied to the Penguins as well.


    The Pens would also go on to finish the post season with allowing just 26 shots. Once again, they were 2nd to only Jersey in fewest shots allowed in both the 2nd half of the regular season as well as the entire post-season. The Hawks would finish with a solid ranking of 6th out of 16 playoff teams in fewest shots allowed. But Niemi raised his level of play and would finish the playoffs with a .910 SV Pct. Fleury would finish with a .891 SV pct.


    How big of a difference are .891 and .910 save percentages?

    Consider that when Fleury averages .910 or higher in a game, his team was 29-5 at one point last year. But when Fleury fell below .900, the Pens were 9-23 in those games near the end of the season.

    So far, Marc Andre Fleury has been below .900 in his first two games this season. His save pct is poor because he allows too many soft goals for which the defense isn’t really responsible for anyway.

    The Penguins have become a team that is losing its ability to win a low scoring game.
    Here is the important part of all of this. Last Season the Penguins went 0-14 against the Top level regular season teams.

    When is the last time the defending champion lost all 14 games against the top 6 regular season teams? That just might be a record that is never broken again.

    While Fleury did not get the start in every one of those games, the following stats should explain how great of a problem they may have going forward.

    The Following teams are the top level teams (record wise) from last season. Listed next to each team are their goals allowed per game average against the top level teams. So for example, if you total up all the Goals allowed by the Canucks in games versus Jersey, Phoenix, Chicago, San Jose, Caps, and Pens, you will find that they allowed an average of 2.4 goals per game against those awesome teams.


    Vancouver 2.4 Goals Allowed

    New Jersey 2.2 Goals Allowed

    Phoenix 2.2 Goals Allowed
    Chicago 2.4 Goals Allowed

    San Jose 2.5 Goals Allowed

    Caps 2.7 Goals Allowed

    Pens 4.1 Goals Allowed



    The Penguins meanwhile allowed 4.1 Goals on Average against those 6 teams. That is about 1.5 goals on average more than what the other top teams allowed against the same set of top level teams.

    Inexcusable!

    It is absolutely hilarious listening to Rob Rossi break down every goal allowed and try to blame the defense as if no other goalie in the league has the same defensive breakdowns in front of him. Furthermore, he can’t seem to comprehend that Fleury’s weak save percentage involves a season long sample size.

    Rob Rossi is the same guy last January that said Fleury would play great once March arrived. When Fleury didn’t play well in March, Rossi said Fleury will play great in the playoffs. When Fleury’s struggles continued in the playoffs, Rossi told us not to worry because he plays his best in the biggest games. At which point Fleury gave up about 7 goals in 2 periods of play against Ottawa (game 6) and Montreal (game 7). Throughout this entire run, the most bizarre comment made by Rossi was that Fleury is a CLUTCH goalie as he related it to his game 6 performance against Ottawa.

    Clutch? Excuse me?

    The only thing that makes Fleury clutch is that his offense over the past few years has given him many more opportunities to be clutch! If Vokoun would give up 3 goals in the 1st period to Ottawa, he would be COOKED! His team isn’t coming back from that. The Penguins on the other hand have shown to be capable of storming back to the lead after being down in games, thus giving Fleury yet another chance at being CLUTCH.

    Finally, if none of this is bad enough, Rossi would deliver yet another load of BS on the showdown Sunday Night where he said Fleury would be the first to tell you that he allowed a soft goal against the Habs on Saturday. But he fails to mention that Fleury DECLINED comment after Saturday’s game. Ha!

    I have absolutely no idea how certain people get paid in Pittsburgh to cover sports. The less you know is apparently the better . In the meantime thousands of fans are following him in the papers and on TV to get their team information.

    If you want to know why thousands of sports fans find themselves scratching their heads and wondering what went wrong after an upset loss to their favorite team, blame guys like Rossi who can’t provide the correct information which eventually leads fans down the wrong path.
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    MAF Is an average Goalie making 5 Mill a Year!! When you combine that with the fact they are paying their top 3 Centers 21.4 Mill a year & Paying their top 4 D Men 15.75 Mill a year People wonder why their wingers Suck

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    You always hear the media harping about improving the wingers and how management will have to cut ties with Staal or Malkin at some point in order to do that. Flower signed a contract in 08(7year 35 mil)
    If another team would want him and his high salary for lousy production...trade him. He's the weak link out of the Fab Four(Sid, Jordan, Marc & Geno)

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    I've ALWAYS thought MAF was overrated.Never have been a fan of his...........especially when he goes out of the crease.I cringe every time he does that ****.

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    Well he has average results but above average skills. That's what is so frustrating. I was a big MAF doubter before the cup but that rested the case for me at the time. It's hard to argue now. It hasn't been since the finals that I felt really good about him. Johnson has been really good for us why not at least give him some more gigs than we have been?

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    Didn't someone here with a name starting with a K and ending with an R say the EXACT same thing back in September ?

    http://www.pittsburghsportstavern.co...y-For-The-Pens





    The Pens don't give up a lot of shots on goal. Had it not been for that miserable couple of months where we were at times skating the Wilkes-Barre Baby Pens defense, we'd have finsihed the season with the 2nd lowest shots against in the league after Chicago. Those couple of months really skewed our defensive statistics but regardless.... we don't allow a lot of shots on goal, the Penalty Kill all of last year was Top 10... We were Top 10 in blocked shots and Marc-Andre Fleury was bottom-tier goaltender in Save Percentage...

    There's always goals that the goalie can't stop, happens for other teams, but every defensive stat combined with MAF's save percentage suggests that he's not stopping enough of the standard shots that other goalies are doing
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    MAF sucks
    The only player in the NHL more overpaid than MAF is Jordan Staal

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    MAF sucks


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    MAF sucks
    i wonder if hes on wisniewski's list of people to tell

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    MAF really is frustrating and it is really frustrating too that he's paid so much and really is woefully inconsistent at best. I doubt we ever see him traded though.

    I think, too, that one other thing that is frustrating for me is that there have been goalies (like Niemi) that have won cups or succeeded at a much lower price...and with less talent...while MAF can't get himself ready for every game.
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    I'm just glad people are finally starting to open their eyes and see it...I have been saying this for years....
    The only player in the NHL more overpaid than MAF is Jordan Staal

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    MAF = Soff

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    MAF Sucks
    The only player in the NHL more overpaid than MAF is Jordan Staal

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    Johnson to start in goal for Penguins Friday, maybe Saturday too
    Thursday, October 14, 2010
    By Shelly Anderson, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

    Penguins coach Dan Bylsma said backup goaltender Brent Johnson will start Friday night at home against the New York Islanders, but he would not commit to going back to No. 1 goalie Marc-Andre Fleury for Saturday's game at Philadelphia.

    The Penguins are playing three games in four nights, so it is not unusual for Johnson to get a start, but he has fared better in his one game, a 3-1 win Monday at New Jersey with 31 saves, than Fleury has in the Penguins' other games.

    Fleury is 0-3 with a 3.41 goals-against average and an .853 save percentage.


    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10287...#ixzz12MtzztnG
    The .853 save percentage is atrocious. Granted it's a small sampling for only 3 games, but that just doesn't cut it in the NHL. I see MAF playing himself off this team. Cap space won't justify keeping him, particularly with the performance he's giving.

    It's not physical. He's as athletic as any goalie out there but the stuff between his ears has turned to mush. He looked almost disinterested at times against the Leafs.

    POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!

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    Flower = Fuhr

    I still believe in him when the chips are down, still think he has some credit from the cup run. He's a big game goalie and will improve as the season progresses. He'll probably never be a Nabokov during the regular season but how many cups does Nabokov have?

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