Results 1 to 10 of 10

Thread: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

      
  1. #1
    Kipper's Avatar
    Status : Kipper is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 8, 2009
    Posts : 67,323
    Threads : 1817
    Last Online : Apr-25-2017 @ 08:36 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    We are 6 games into the 2010 NFL Regular Season. The Pittsburgh Steelers despite having to play 4 games with that two-headed monster called "Dennis Batch" are sitting on top of the very weak looking AFC North at 5-1. If it weren't for the Baltimore Ravens making deals with the Devils they would be sitting at 3-5 with loses to the Steelers and the Bills. The Ratbirds aren't anywhere close to being a 5-2 team.

    A lot of good has transpired early in this season. The Steelers fighting through adversity early and walking away with a 5-1 record is one of them yet there's something nagging Steelers fans and it really goes back further than 6 games in the 2010 NFL season. It goes back to the 2009 NFL season. There are even some that point to the 4th Quarter in Super Bowl XLIII.. I'm talking about the Pittsburgh Steelers Pass Defense. That Pass Defense that collapsed in the [IMGL]http://www.pghsportsforum.com/ArticlesGraphics/GayOnHeap.jpg[/IMGL]4th Quarter against the Arizona Cardinals in Superbowl XLIII. That Pass Defense in 2009 that collapsed enough to cost the Steelers wins and a chance at the Playoffs.

    The bottom line is that the Pass Defense has become a glaring weakness for the 2010 Pittsburgh Steelers. Believe it or not the Steelers O-Line is ranked higher overall and even in Pass Protection. An O-Line that's been shuffling players since mini-camp and through the Regular Season. Even the Special Teams despite Antwan Randel El being sterrified to return Punts hasn't been bad overall.

    However it is taboo to talk negatively about the Pittsburgh Steelers Defense. When you think about the Pittsburgh Steelers you think about the Defense. One always considers the Offense in catch-up mode, so it's natural to hear and read little from the media about the Pass Defense, well, not until a great free lancer like Jim Wexell mentions it.

    Mike Tomlin can say whatever he wants to mask the problems, hide them, sweep them under the rug but this is an issue that was relevant all last season. We were constantly blowing leads through the air to ****ty QB's like Bruce Gradkowski and Carson Palmer who is a consistent late game choker and more... Hell we had secured a huge 28-7 lead on the San Diego Chargers before giving it away in the 4th Quarter. Bottom line is that while teams aren't scoring right now (Baltimore Ravens did it actually) is that every sign is there that we could potentially blow more leads due to our Pass Defense and what was the end result last season? Remember that we were something like 5-2 or 6-2 at one point last season and facing a cakewalk of a schedule in front of us.

    We have gotten increasingly worse in 2010 despite the following..

    1. Troy Polamalu being healthy and active for every game.
    2. Bryant McFadden replacing William Gay at CB
    3. Taking James Farrior out of a lot of passing packages and using the quicker and faster Larry Timmons.
    4. James Harrison and Lamarr Woodley being healthy and available for "most" of the games so far this season.

    The Pass Defense should be Top 10 and it's not anywhere near that. The next thing one would think is that perhaps the Pittsburgh Steelers have faced some strong Passing Games? Not true.

    Here are some stats and rankings currently of the Quarterbacks that the Steelers Pass Defense has faced this season....


    *Colt McCoy didn't have enough attempts per game yet to qualify for rankings

    That's not really a list of "great" QB's that our Pass Defense has faced. Half on that list could be considered average and the rest below average. There isn't a single Quarterback there that is Top 10 in anything. Yet, we have a bottom 10 Pass Defense and a Bottom 5 Pass Defense in allowing Completions.

    I'm not going to sit here and pretend to know what is wrong and how to fix it. My Arm Chair Gm and Coaching abilities have certain limitations. However I can make guesses like everyone else. The problems could be scheme related. Dick LeBeau's Defense is very pressure based and if the pressure gets picked up the Zones can get picked apart with ease. Yet the stats aren't indicating a lack of pressure either...

    1. 3rd Down defense. The Steelers are ranked #13 only allowing a 36% conversion rate.

    2. Sacks. The Steelers are ranked #8 in Sacks with 18.

    3. Penalties. Steelers aren't giving up Penalty yards. Steelers are ranked #4 in the league in fewest penalties.

    Is the Steelers Pass Defense playing behind their coverage too much which would result in a level of completions but also is aimed at eliminating the Big Play?

    1. Steelers are Ranked #T-9 for 20+ Yard Pass Plays allowed with 18 total.

    2. Steelers are ranked #T-6 for 40+ Yard Pass Plays allowed with 2 total.

    3. Steelers are ranked #T-15 in Yards Per Pass Play against with a 6.8 Yards Per Pass Play.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Air_Gradkowski.jpg 
Views:	27 
Size:	65.0 KB 
ID:	4599None are "great" stats for a defense designed to keep everything in front. Since Mike Tomlin came to the Steelers as Head Coach he's stressed more of the Tony Dungy "Bend don't Break" philosophy. Defenses designed more to give you a little bit and then shut you down when you need a desperate play or yards. For whatever reason, this philosophy has had it's moments. It had it's moments of being awful in 2009 when it constantly broke instead of simply just bending. Thus giving up leads through the air late in a lot of games. Allowing the opposition to complete a high percentage of passes while waiting for the opposition to make mistakes. Often at times it looked like/looks like we aren't attacking on Defense. In 2010 this again appears to be a similar theme. We've had better moments in getting that "splash play" in 2010 but this has really become a Defense that is playing with fire.

    I'm almost afraid to imagine what one of the NFL's most accurate QB's that can pile up a bunch of yards while possibly getting Reggie Bush back will do against a Steelers Pass Defense that allows a high completion percentage and a lot of passing yards. Lets just hope that Ben Roethlisberger and the Offense is clicking on enough cylinders to play some shootout ball. I really don't see the Steelers Pass Defense improving unless there's been some holding back for legit QB's. Who wants to show their hand against Josh Freeman or Chad Henne?

    Let's hope.
    Last edited by Kipper; Feb-27-2015 at 08:38 AM.
    The Standard Is The Standard and The Pittsburgh Sports Forum Is The Standard


  2. #2
    rockcr's Avatar
    Status : rockcr is offline
    Rank : Major Leaguer
    Join Date : Nov 23, 2009
    Location : rockford,il
    Posts : 1,015
    Threads : 52
    Last Online : Oct-03-2015 @ 09:45 AM
    Sports Logo

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    pressure at the line is the only thing i know to fix this right now!

  3. #3
    exNCite's Avatar
    Status : exNCite is offline
    Rank : Hall Of Famer
    Join Date : Oct 12, 2009
    Location : Wall, New Jersey, United States
    Posts : 5,589
    Threads : 413
    Last Online : Jul-14-2017 @ 06:36 PM

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    Sodfather put this in another thread.
    The Steelers are allowing a pass-completion percentage of 66.2 percent, which not only ranks 28th in the league but is on pace to smash the team record of 62.4 percent set in 1991.
    Pressure on the WR's is what's needed IMO. We play so ****ed soft with our DB's that completing a 5yd pass is almost a given. Ike Taylor should be able to stay with a wideout so why does he line up 12 yds deep?

    I know Father Lebeau is the master of zone coverages but if that is ALL you play, eventually the O figures it out. What's wrong with a WR being jammed at the LOS? I'm not saying like Mel Blount used to do, but a little bit is legal and it can throw off the timing of the offense.

    POLITICIANS AND DIAPERS SHOULD BE CHANGED OFTEN AND FOR THE SAME REASON!

  4. #4
    Palmetto Steel's Avatar
    Status : Palmetto Steel is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 9, 2009
    Posts : 23,379
    Threads : 3263
    Last Online : Nov-30-2015 @ 06:36 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by exNCite View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    Pressure on the WR's is what's needed IMO.
    Agreed... There is no checking at the line, and they play well off the WRs... Is it a lack of fundamentals/execution or poor philosophy for defending the pass?...

    ... Here is my weekly statement: "Ray Horton must go!" ... Sure, LeBeau is responsible for "all things defense", but Horton is the one who has coached-down the basic DB fundamentals to his unit IMO.

    ..... BTW, this was an outstanding article, Kip!...
    "You only have one life, and you will not get out alive. Make the most of your time and have no regrets." - Me.

  5. #5
    Les's Avatar
    Status : Les is offline
    Rank : Legend
    Join Date : Oct 10, 2009
    Location : Secane,Pa.
    Posts : 10,207
    Threads : 48
    Last Online : Jul-04-2017 @ 07:08 AM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    IF there is a problem(any problem) on defense,it is the ULTIMATE responsibility of the Defensive Coordinator and the Head Coach of the team to solve that problem.Considering that there has been an ongoing problem with this,I guess they assume there isn't a problem.

  6. #6
    vandelay industries's Avatar
    Status : vandelay industries is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Nov 2, 2009
    Posts : 2,269
    Threads : 150
    Last Online : Mar-18-2014 @ 04:30 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by rockcr View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    pressure at the line is the only thing i know to fix this right now!
    No way.

    I don't have an answer, but that's not it. A QB that's as good/smart as Brees will just go to quick 3-step drops and kill us all day.

    Every team has an Achilles Heal, ours is the pass defense. We're doing well in spite of it, but at some point it has the potential to jump us and bite us in the ***.

  7. #7
    hawaiiansteeler's Avatar
    Status : hawaiiansteeler is offline
    Rank : Superstar
    Join Date : Apr 7, 2010
    Posts : 2,614
    Threads : 440
    Last Online : Nov-04-2012 @ 09:47 PM

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    Steelers could be in trouble against New Orleans passing offense

    WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 27, 2010 12:30 AM WRITTEN BY BOB SMIZIK


    The worst thing that happened to the Steelers last Sunday was the injury to Aaron Smith. The second worst thing was the Cleveland Browns trashing the Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints.

    Teams donít normally need a refocusing when they play the Steelers. Theyíre always ready. But if the Saints needed additional motivation to play the team many consider the best in the NFL, they got it in the form of a pasting by the Browns, who came into the game with one win.

    The Saints lost by 13, were down by 17 at halftime and quarterback Drew Brees was intercepted four times, with two of those being returned for touchdowns. It was a humiliation. And a wakeup.

    Which means the Saints will be primed and ready for this primetime game Sunday night in the Superdome. Their season isnít on the line -- theyíre third in the NFC South but only a game out of first -- but their pride is.

    If ever a team was well-equipped to handle the Steelers, itís the Saints. They live by the pass, an area where the Steelers have not excelled.

    The Steelers are 24th in passing yards allowed this season, although those numbers are deceiving. For starters, since opponents cannot run against the Steelers, they have little choice but to pass. Then thereís the fact the Steelers, when well ahead, have given up a lot of late yardage to desperate teams, which did not hurt them.

    Thatís the positive spin on the Steelers 24th ranking. Hereís the negative twist. Their secondary has been made to look ordinary or less by ordinary or less quarterbacks. Cleveland rookie Colt McCoy, in his first NFL start, had the look of an established veteran in completing 23 of 36 for 257 yards against the Steelers. Seven days later, McCoy played like the rookie he is, completing nine for 16 for 74 yards against the Saints. At the same time, Miamiís Chad Henne was completing 23 of 36 for 257 yards against the Steelers. And those yards were not accumulated with a desperation passing attack in the final minutes.

    Neither McCoy nor Henne is on the same planet with Brees. Heís one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL, ranking right up there with Ben Roethlisberger. He threw for over 5,000 yards in 2008 and over 4,000 in 2009. He outplayed Peyton Manning in the Super Bowl, completing 32 of 39 passes for 288 yards and two touchdowns.

    This season, the Saints are fifth in passing yards per game. To put that in some sort of perspective, Miami and Cleveland, teams that gave the Steelers trouble with the pass, are 13th and 22nd.

    All of which means: The Steelers are in greater jeopardy of losing Sunday than any time this season with the possible exception of their game at home against Baltimore.

    None of this is to suggest the Steelers donít have a chance. They do. They have a better defense than New Orleans and, based on play this season, a better quarterback.

    But the Steelers have a potential weakness and the Saints have a quarterback who can exploit it to the fullest.

    http://communityvoices.sites.post-ga...passing-attack

  8. #8
    LasVegasGuy's Avatar
    Status : LasVegasGuy is offline
    Rank : Banned
    Join Date : Oct 11, 2009
    Location : Living on the Sun, Nevada
    Posts : 2,076
    Threads : 60
    Last Online : Jan-05-2012 @ 12:19 PM

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by Kipper View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote

    Is the Steelers Pass Defense playing behind their coverage too much which would result in a level of completions but also is aimed at eliminating the Big Play?
    Someone needs to explain this to me. So it's better to give up (4) 5 yard passes then (1) 20 yard pass? In the end didn't they move the ball 20 yards? Plus, isn't it easier to hit (4) 5 yard passes when the defense is giving it to you then to hit (1) 20 yard pass when they aren't.

    Haven't we all seen the prevent defense in action? Haven't we all see the offense score more times then not? This way of playing defense sucks. It didn't get you the lead and it certainly won't let you keep it.

    I personally think we nned to start out playing agressive and until we are burned for the big play we don't change a thing. Why do enter every game like every QB is going to burn us for a few big ones? The last time I checked Charred Scott isn't back there anymore.

  9. #9
    The Sodfather's Avatar
    Status : The Sodfather is offline
    Rank : Major Leaguer
    Join Date : Dec 10, 2009
    Posts : 1,431
    Threads : 29
    Last Online : Apr-26-2012 @ 03:04 PM

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    If you're going to talk about the D then at least bring up the most important defensive stat of all.

    They are allowing 13.7 ppg which is by far #1 in the league.

  10. #10
    vandelay industries's Avatar
    Status : vandelay industries is offline
    Rank : All-Star
    Join Date : Nov 2, 2009
    Posts : 2,269
    Threads : 150
    Last Online : Mar-18-2014 @ 04:30 PM
    Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo Sports Logo

    Default Re: Who'd have Thunk it? Steelers Pass Defense Is a Glaring Weakness

    Quote Originally Posted by The Sodfather View Post
    This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
    If you're going to talk about the D then at least bring up the most important defensive stat of all.

    They are allowing 13.7 ppg which is by far #1 in the league.
    And you're right, and that can't be dismissed.

    Although it is early, and we do have a big weakness that can, or will, be exploited as we go on and face some better QB's. I mean last year at this point, and at the halfway point, our D looked pretty **** legit too...



Quick Reply Quick Reply

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Members who have read this thread: 0

There are no members to list at the moment.

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •