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    Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington
    by SteelerBuddha on Oct 24, 2009 6:27 PM EDT 33 comments
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    Let me start with a quote. This comes from our fearless leader and solid football prognosticator Blitz.

    It was written this summer as the Steelers began to contemplate their title defense in earnest. Blitz was writing a post projecting Santonio Holmes numbers for 2009. Before I give you the quote, here is Blitz's projections for Holmes' 2009 numbers.

    72 Catches 1115 Yards15.48 Yards per catch

    If you actually extrapolate Holmes numbers based on his current totals you would wind up with:

    74 Catches 1168 Yards 15.6 Yards per catch

    Now that we have established that Blitz sold his soul to the devil for the ability to make freakishly accurate stat predictions - I mean - knows a fair amount about football, let's look at what he had to say about the prospect of replacing Nate Washington.

    I think Limas Sweed and/or Mike Wallace can fill the void left by Nate Washington just fine, but it's worth remembering just how much Washington forced defenses to remain honest with his ability to stretch the field vertically. Furthermore, Washington was more than just a decoy if you consider just how much Big Ben liked to look his way. Decoys only work if you semi-occasionally throw them the ball. Will Ben feel comfortable enough with Wallace or forget about Sweed's struggles last year and look their way enough to get Holmes and Hines Ward open at other times?

    Let me translate here. Blitz thinks we won't miss Nate, but he isn't quite sure. Sweed's struggles have correctly made Blitz nervous and Wallace at this point is about as proven a commodity as Frank the tank Summers or Darius Heyward Bey.

    Let me point out that Blitz was on the calm side of the continuum regarding his worry. In his article titled "Steelers 2009: The Top Five Issues They Face at Camp" Professional grouch reporter Ed Bouchette listed the receiver situation as number 1.

    Here is what he had to say about replacing Nate. After praising Holmes and Ward (whose age worried many, myself included - woops) he goes on to lay out why we signed Shuan McDonald.


    The ambiguous nature of what stands behind them is what makes this the most pressing issue as the team enters training camp. Their returning teammates behind them have seven career regular-season receptions between them -- Limas Sweed, pictured at right, has six and Dallas Baker has one. That is why the Steelers added veteran Shaun McDonald, who languished as a free agent until they signed him May 1, and drafted Mike Wallace in the third round.

    McDonald, listed as 5-feet-10 and 183, had a nice season with Detroit in 2007 when he led the Lions with 79 receptions, 943 yards and 6 touchdowns. He will compete with Sweed for the No. 3 job opened when Nate Washington signed as a free agent with Tennessee. Sweed, their second-round 2008 draft choice, is the key. He is 6-4 and can add a new dimension to their offense. Wallace also figures to be in the mix somewhere.

    Notice where Wallace is? Yup somewhere in the mix.


    A couple of months later and boy do things look different in Steeler Nation. Sweed has continued his struggles from last year and McDonald despite having a solid training camp and the best resume of the bunch was outclassed in terms of talent by both Sweed and Wallace.

    Wallace on the other hand has gone on to do the unthinkable. He is having a great rookie year as a wide receiver for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Let's go back to Blitz's quote. One of the things that Blitz touches on is how well Nate stretched the field. It was clear from the start that Sweed was capable of stretching the field, he was wide open on all those drops, it also seemed a fair assumption that Wallace with his sub 4.3 speed could out-run guys, but the much repeated assumption was that Steelers wide receivers take at least a year if not two or three to fully develop. Based on this most thought we wouldn't be able to rely on Wallace as much more than a really fast decoy.

    There is good reason for this assumption. Since the 1970's the Steelers have had a handful of really good wide receivers and a number of high draft picks at WR. Here are there stats during for that group during their first year of playing football:

    Name Receptions Yards Yrds/Rec Draft Round - Number

    Lynn Curtis Swann 11 208 18.9 1st Rd (21)

    Johnny Lee Stallworth 16 269 16.8 4th Rd (82)

    Louis Adam Lipps Jr. 45 860 19.1 1st Rd (23)

    Charles Everett Johnson 38 577 15.2 1st Rd (17)

    Hines E. Ward Jr. 15 246 16.4 3rd Rd (96)

    Troy Edwards 60 714 11.7 1st Rd (13)

    Plaxico Jeffrey Burress 22 273 12.4 1st Rd (8th)

    Santonio Holmes Jr. 49 824 16.8 1st Rd (25)

    Limas Lee Sweed Jr. 6 64 10.7 2nd Rd (53)

    Burnell Michael Wallace (through 6) 18 296 16.4 3rd Rd (84)

    Burnell Michael Wallace (projected) 48 794 16.4 3rd Rd (84)


    There are two hall of famers one FHOF and six first round picks on that list..

    Wallace is essentially on pace to match if not beat them statistically. With a couple of good games in the second half he could have the most productive season ever for a Steeler rookie wide receiver. Not too shabby for a low 3rd round pick.

    Now, let's look at how Wallace has stacked up against his rookie class:

    Name Receptions Yards Yrds/Rec Draft Round - Number

    Mike Wallace 18 296 16.4 3rd Rd (84)

    Kenny Britt 19 289 15.2 1st Rd (30)

    Mohammed Massaquoi 16 278 17.3 2nd Rd (50)

    Percy Harvin 20 243 12.1 1st Rd (22)

    Hakeem Nicks 12 235 19.5 1st Rd (29)

    Austin Collie 20 228 11.4 4th Rd (127)

    Johnny Knox 17 224 13.2 5th Rd (140)

    Jeremy Maclin 13 193 14.8 1st Rd (19)

    Julian Edelman 21 188 8.9 7th Rd (232)

    Darius Heyward-Bey 2 19 9.5 1st Rd (7)

    Michael Crabtree 0 0 0 1st Rd (10)


    Again, at this early stage Wallace is pretty much at or near the top in terms of production for his rookie class (he has a game more than a couple of his opponents).

    Finally let's look at the comparison between Wallace and the man whose job he took Nate Washington.

    Probably the most relevant stat to start with is that Nate is being payed about 27 million dollars over 6 years while Wallace is making 1.7 over 3. If it wasn't for the money there would have been a very good chance that Washington would still be playing productive football for the Steelers. But the age of 26, with 3 productive years as a under his belt, Washington wanted to cash in.

    Here is what he has done so far this season:

    18 Catches 150 Yards 8.3 Y/C

    Not only is Wallace putting up better numbers than Washington this year, but his projected totals are also better than Washington's totals for 2008, his best with the Steelers.

    Now you may be inclined to argue that it's not a fair comparison to look at the numbers for two wide receivers on different teams. There is no doubt that Wallace is benifitting from the great years being had by Ward, Holmes, Miller and of course Big Ben, but this is obviously a cyclical argument.

    It could just as easily be said that they are all benefiting from the big year he is having. Going back to Blitz's quote. Blitz was worried about having a guy who could not only run past the coverage, but do it in such a way that made defenses have to rethink their coverage schemes.

    Through the first 6 games of this season, there is no doubt that Wallace is doing that. What's more he's making tough catches in the middle of the field in a way that Nate rarely did even in his fourth season as a Steeler.

    (It's the tough catches that make a difference - I wonder where he learned that?)

    As Mike Tomlin said so concisely, "The game is not to big for him"

    Six games in to the season, it seems safe to say, that not only do we not miss Nate Washington, but that Wallace is already an upgrade and has the potential to be a whole lot more.




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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    Shouldn't we be comparing Mike Wallace with Limas Sweed???



    Just sayin'.

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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

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    Shouldn't we be comparing Mike Wallace with Limas Sweed???



    Just sayin'.
    No.... Wallace is head and shoulders better than our top pic last year....
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    No.... Wallace is head and shoulders better than our top pic last year....
    I know.I was being facetious seeing how everyone knows my worship of Limas Sweed.

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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    I don't know how you compare Wallace to either of those players. Wallace is $$$ and those other two are change. When I think about how much loot the Tits spent on butterfingers it makes it even funnier. Curse of the TT. I wonder if anyone else has the balls to step on the towel?

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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    I really like Mike Wallace...loved him before the draft. However, I dont think you can compare his productivity in OUR offense to Washington's productivity--or lackthereof--in the Titans offense. Kerry Collins--their starting QB until this coming week--has 1071 yards...and Vince Young has 0 yards passing...Ben Roethlisberger has 2062 yards passing. It's really not fair to compare the two b/c the offense are completely different. I wouldnt, though, take Washington over Wallace.
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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    Nate has also dropped quite a few balls this year, where Wallace has been all hands for the most part. Right now I can think of 4 long balls, where Ben underthrew Wallace, or he'd have another 120 yards and two more td's. I think a comparison between the two is somewhat fair, because they have been used similarly. Wallace, like someone has already said, makes the difficult catches across the middle where Nate didn't. Wallace is a nice upgrade over Nate.
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    Nate has also dropped quite a few balls this year, where Wallace has been all hands for the most part. Right now I can think of 4 long balls, where Ben underthrew Wallace, or he'd have another 120 yards and two more td's. I think a comparison between the two is somewhat fair, because they have been used similarly. Wallace, like someone has already said, makes the difficult catches across the middle where Nate didn't. Wallace is a nice upgrade over Nate.
    Oh, I think comparing the players and what they bring is one thing. But to use statistics to attempt to prove it is a little off...when you consider how bad Tennessee is. I already said that I think Wallace is a better player...and I wanted us to draft him last draft--which we did.
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    ... Apples to oranges.... Two different seasons.... Too hard to compare because Ben has played differently this season.
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    ... Apples to oranges.... Two different seasons.... Too hard to compare because Ben has played differently this season.
    And two different teams too.
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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    I don't think you can compare them because by now Nate should be a seasoned pro and I thought he was supposed to be their number one? Not sure if it worked out that way or not tbh. But Wallace is a rook and a 3rd stringer. I don't care how many yards Collins has thrown, Nate should be getting a good percentage of those.

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    Oh, I think comparing the players and what they bring is one thing. But to use statistics to attempt to prove it is a little off...when you consider how bad Tennessee is. I already said that I think Wallace is a better player...and I wanted us to draft him last draft--which we did.
    FWIW,you also "loved" and "wanted us to draft" Limas Sweed too and look how that turned out.

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    Shouldn't we be comparing Mike Wallace with Limas Sweed???



    Just sayin'.
    Exactly.

    Comparing Wallace to Washington is like comparing Ben to Maddox.

    Maddox did what he needed to do as did Washington, but c'mon.

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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    I think Wallace could be on track to break many Steeler receiving records. Wait until the game/plays become second nature to him. Wait until Ben and Wallace become one of those tandems that can't be stopped.
    Wallace is sleeper pick if I ever saw one.

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    Default Re: Mike Wallace vs. Nate Washington

    Wallace does seem as if he will be a keeper. I wonder how many Mike Wallaces types we have had for the Steelers ?

    Joey Porter
    Willie Parker
    Arron Smith
    Hines Ward
    Rocky Blier and probably a few more from his era
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