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    I think that the following players all have a chance to play in the bigs in the near future
    Offensively in no particular order
    Lambo
    Sanchez
    Mercer
    D'Arnaud
    Presley
    Harrison
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    Lincoln
    Morris
    Owens
    Locke
    Wilson
    Moskos
    Moreno
    Obviously it would be difficult for all of these guys to make it, but I think they all have chances in either 2011 or 12. My question is what do you guys think their outlooks are? What about the ceilings?

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    I think that the following players all have a chance to play in the bigs in the near future
    Offensively in no particular order
    Lambo
    Sanchez
    Mercer
    D'Arnaud
    Presley
    Harrison

    Pitchers
    Lincoln
    Morris
    Owens
    Locke
    Wilson
    Moskos
    Moreno
    Obviously it would be difficult for all of these guys to make it, but I think they all have chances in either 2011 or 12. My question is what do you guys think their outlooks are? What about the ceilings?
    I think the ones most likely to get the call up in 2011 are Lincoln, Moskos, Owens and Pressly.

    Ceiling-wise, the player with the highest on that list to me is Lambo.
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    I think Owens has a chance to make the opening day roster.

    I'm not a big fan of Harrison ....he looks to me like a utility player at best in the ML's. He's going to have a tough time getting PT in Indy this year with Mercer, D'Arnaud, Friday, Hague, Ciriaco, Diaz probably on the team.

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    Moving beyond the "next wave," one of the knocks about the farm has been the lack of top of the rotation potential. Now that Lincoln, if he works out, seems destined where most thought he would - middle of the order - we have to look again for top guys. Suddenly there seem to be 4 (in alphabetic order): Allie, Morris, Owens and Taillon. Do any of these guys potentially not fit a "top of the rotation" label?

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    Moving beyond the "next wave," one of the knocks about the farm has been the lack of top of the rotation potential. Now that Lincoln, if he works out, seems destined where most thought he would - middle of the order - we have to look again for top guys. Suddenly there seem to be 4 (in alphabetic order): [HIGH-LIGHT] Allie, Morris, Owens and Taillon[/HIGH-LIGHT]. Do any of these guys potentially not fit a "top of the rotation" label?
    My understanding is that Allie and Tailon have 'ace'/#1 ceilings, whereas Morris and Owens are #2 ceilings.

    Anyone else seem to agree or disagree?

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    Everyone is "top of the order," until they prove they are not.

    The high school kids--while I hope they both make it and are 1A and 1B--need to show they can pitch and with velocity and control.

    We saw good pitching in the WS and Lincecum is a #1 pitcher. Right now, we have nobody within a grenade's distance of him.

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    I think the ones most likely to get the call up in 2011 are Lincoln, Moskos, Owens and Pressly.

    Ceiling-wise, the player with the highest on that list to me is Lambo.
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    Morris intrigues me but his ceiling is somewhere south of a #1 ,probably a #3 realistically but hopefully a #2. Owens is equally interesting but is he any better than a Duke or Maholm? I hope so but time will tell. Owens has the the polish to make a quicker leap.
    2011 will be a huge make or break year for Lambo. Can he make the move to AAA? Can he develop some power? I wish there was a legitimate power hitting prospect in the upper levels of the organization. Specifically a corner outfielder. Hopefully Lambo can be that guy.

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    Owens and Morris at this stage aren't "ace" material but when it comes to Aces who knows. Once players hit the MLB level anything can change.

    It'll be a good while before we see Taillon and allie.

    @PFIV - You really think Owens could make the big leagues out of camp despite thick competition and possible Free Agent/Trade selection(s?
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    Heredia should be grouped with Taillon and Allie as well.

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    @PFIV - You really think Owens could make the big leagues out of camp despite thick competition and possible Free Agent/Trade selection(s?
    He has a chance with an outstanding spring but that would not be the Pirates preferred way to go. It depends on what NH can scrape up off the FA pile and what they do with Duke. Owens should get an invite to the ML camp and I will bet he holds his own against ML bats.

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    My understanding is that Allie and Tailon have 'ace'/#1 ceilings, whereas Morris and Owens are #2 ceilings.

    Anyone else seem to agree or disagree?
    Owens is a like an amp'd up Zach Duke...or a good Paul Maholm.

    Morris is a solid #2...solid.

    Allie isn't a starter...they can pitch him there for now if they want, but the kid wants to close, has a closer mentality, and is a young Billy Wagner....he's a closer

    Taillon is an ace.
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    Heredia should be grouped with Taillon and Allie as well.
    Heredia is a LONNNNNG way off though.
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    Heredia is a LONNNNNG way off though.
    I'm talking from a talent standpoint. He's only 16, so yeah, I would assume he's a ways off. Most of the great closer's were starters in the minors, so hopefully, unlike Moskos, he handles starting real well.

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    PFINVA,
    I disagree about Harrison. He can hit. He hits everywhere he goes. He doesn't have much pop, but a guy like that can stick for quite sometime.

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