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    The Pirates face decisions on Lastings Milledge, Ronny Cedeno, Jeff Karstens, Ross Ohlendorf, and Joel Hanrahan. Wil Ledezma already agreed to a contract and Zach Duke, Andy LaRoche, and Delwyn Young were already let go. Ohlendorf and Hanrahan are locks to be tendered. Milledge probably is as well. Cedeno is a bit more on the bubble, but it would likely depend on whether they can do something else at the SS position. I wouldn't expect Karstens to be tendered, though it's possible they'll bring him back.

    Here's what we know so far from around the league:

    Blaine Boyer - Diamondbacks
    D. J. Carrasco - Diamondbacks
    Ryan Church - Diamondbacks
    Augie Ojeda - Diamondbacks
    Jose Lopez - Mariners
    Tony Gwynn Jr.- Padres
    Scott Hairston - Padres
    Hideki Okajima - Red Sox
    Zach Miner - Tigers

    Zach Duke will reportedly be non-tendered as well if he doesn't agree to a contract before midnight.

    More as they come in.

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    At this stage of the game, Cedeño is a lock to be tendered, IMO, since we have no other option.

    Even if we were to trade for Hardy or (ugh)Bartlett, I think he'd be kept as the backup MI for now.
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    I'd take Carrasco back.
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    Default Re: Non-tenders 2010

    Latest addition to the list:

    Bobby Jenks - White Sox

    I'd expect him to get a nice deal somewhere. The reason for the non-tender is that he made $7.5 million in 2010 and was due for a raise.

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    Pirates apparently signed Cedeno for around $2 million which is basically backup IF money, so it's not so bad. Also signed Karstens for $1.1 million which actually seems like more than his arb value. Apparently they're going to non-tender Milledge which seems pretty stupid.

    Also non-tendered/removed from the 40 man are Brian Burres, Donnie Veal, and Argenis Diaz.

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    I wonder if those of you who truly follow this stuff can offer an opinion on whether the Pirates--more than any other MLB team--juggle and reshape their 40 man roster.

    It seems names constantly are coming and going from this PBC list.

    Does that happen around the league as much?

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    Here's what's been listed so far. There may be a couple missing, but this should be most of the list. Apparently Jose Lopez wasn't non-tendered as the Rockies ended up trading for him for some reason.

    RHP Jeremy Accardo Blue Jays
    RHP Alfredo Aceves Yankees
    RHP Matt Albers Orioles
    IF Willy Aybar Rays
    RHP Blaine Boyer Diamondbacks
    RHP Taylor Buchholz Red Sox
    OF Travis Buck Athletics
    LHP Brian Burres Pirates
    RHP D. J. Carrasco Diamondbacks
    OF Chris Carter Mets
    OF Ryan Church Diamondbacks
    RHP Todd Coffey Brewers
    RHP Lance Cormier Rays
    DH Jack Cust Athletics
    RHP Manny Delcarmen Rockies
    OF Matt Diaz Braves
    SS Argenis Diaz Pirates
    3B Edwin Encarnacion Athletics
    3B Josh Fields Royals
    3B Kevin Frandsen Angels
    RHP Samuel Gervacio Astros
    RHP Sean Green Mets
    OF Tony Gwynn Padres
    OF Scott Hairston Padres
    LHP J.P. Howell Rays
    2B Joe Inglett Brewers
    RHP Bobby Jenks White Sox
    OF Fred Lewis Blue Jays
    RHP John Maine Mets
    C Russell Martin Dodgers
    OF Lastings Milledge Pirates
    LHP Andrew Miller Red Sox
    RHP Zach Miner Tigers
    RHP Dustin Moseley Yankees
    C Dioner Navarro Rays
    C Wil Nieves Nationals
    RHP Dustin Nippert Rangers
    OF Trent Oeltjen Dodgers
    IF Augie Ojeda Diamondbacks
    LHP Hideki Okajima Red Sox
    C Ronny Paulino Marlins
    RHP Joel Peralta Nationals
    RHP Chris Ray Giants
    RHP Ryan Rowland-Smith Mariners
    LHP George Sherrill Dodgers
    LHP Erick Threets White Sox
    LHP Donald Veal Pirates
    2B Eugenio Velez Giants
    RHP Jose Veras Marlins
    RHP Chien-Ming Wang Nationals

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    I may look at a couple of those players--Edwin Encarnacion as a 3B stopgap (moving Pedro to 1B) and Chris Ray.
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    I might like Jose Veras as a reliever. Good stuff, but poor control, same story you've seen about a billion times. He's gotten decent results from it thus far. I used to like Accardo, but it seems like he just keeps getting worse. Aceves has been decent for the Yankees, but he's coming off an injury. From what I hear he's expected to be back for the start of spring training. Taylor Bucholz had success in the past, but had a rough year coming back from injury in 2010. JP Howell missed all of 2010, so he may struggle next year. He's been about the same against lefties and righties in the past. I still like Andrew Miller, but it might be too late for him now.

    On the position player side I like Matt Diaz as a RH platoon bat at least. Encarnacion has good power, but that's about it. The OBP just keeps dropping and he's been kind of a disaster in the field most of the time.

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    Default Re: Non-tenders 2010

    Milledge is gone

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    Oh Boy!!!!! We could get RoPaul back.

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    I wonder if those of you who truly follow this stuff can offer an opinion on whether the Pirates--more than any other MLB team--juggle and reshape their 40 man roster.

    It seems names constantly are coming and going from this PBC list.

    Does that happen around the league as much?
    It is quite the revolving door isn’t it? The 40 man roster movement is a serious indictment of the talent on the 40 man roster. What they have been doing this off season is just picking up the steamy piles and putting them the garbage can.

    To answer your question yes it happens around the league but not to this extent.

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    "Interesting Non-Tenders
    By Tim Dierkes [December 3 at 1:29am CST]
    .....Let's take a look at some of the more interesting non-tenders.

    Bobby Jenks, RP. There are plenty of good right-handed relievers available, but if you take Mariano Rivera and Rafael Soriano off the board, Jenks might be the best closer. Jenks throws hard and posted huge strikeout and groundball rates this year, so he should find multiple years and at least $5MM per.
    Russell Martin, C. Martin was once one of the game's best catchers, but his performance waned and he's recovering from a hip fracture. There aren't a ton of starting catching gigs available, however. The Yankees nearly acquired Martin on Thursday for Francisco Cervelli, tweets Michael S. Schmidt of the New York Times.
    Jack Cust, LF/RF/DH. Cust doesn't impress defensively, but not too many free agents can match a .395 OBP.
    Edwin Encarnacion, 3B. Another defensively-challenged player, Encarnacion hit 21 home runs in 367 plate appearances this year. Someone will give him a shot in a weak market for third basemen.
    Andrew Miller, SP. The former first-round pick is a project at this point, with his velocity down and walks up.
    Joel Peralta, RP. He's not a hard-thrower but it's difficult to argue with a 2.02 ERA, 9.0 K/9, and 1.7 BB/9. He is an extreme flyball pitcher though.
    Jose Veras, RP. Veras has control issues, but he did rack up strikeouts this year and averaged 94.4 mph on his fastball.

    Fourth outfielder types: Matt Diaz, Ryan Church, Tony Gwynn, Lastings Milledge, and Scott Hairston.
    Former setup types: Manny Delcarmen, Hideki Okajima, and George Sherrill.
    Interesting pitchers coming back from shoulder surgery: J.P. Howell, John Maine, Chien-Ming Wang."
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    Edwin Encarnacion is a RH hitter. Anyone know if he could play first base??

    He could be this season's Jose Bautista
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    Thanks, PFV!

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