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    Default Recipe To Beating The Ravens? Win The Turnovers Battle

    Every announcer and every expert says it. Former Steelers coach Bill Cowher said it so often it started to become a cliche. Unfortunately his players didn't exactly accept the lesson in important AFC Championship Games. It was evident once again in the Baltimore/Kansas City game.

    for the Steelers are going to beat Baltimore they cannot lose the turnover battle. I don't care much for what either team did against each other in the Regular Season. The Regular Season gives you tastes of what to expect in games like this but in the playoffs, the stakes are higher and the game changes, it tightens. The Steelers and Ravens know each other very well. They know each others tendencies. Players know every little last thing about the other player. There's not a lot of "fooling" going on when these two teams meet this coming Saturday. When teams and coaches know each other this well, the margin for error gets smaller and smaller. In this upcoming game, the margin for error is as slim as it gets. The Pittsburgh Steelers simply must player the smarter game.

    As I say "smarter game" I realized that I invited every Anti-Bruce Arians fan out there to come in and denounce this possibility on Offense from a playcalling point of view. That's not the "smarter game" I'm talking about and to be honest these coaches know that that their counterparts are very familiar with them and their schemes. The "smart game" I'm alluding to is not turning the ball over. Making the right decisions when you can. Holding onto the ball. Making the right block when you are needed, not getting burnt in coverage, not missing a blitz pick up, not forgetting a hot route, recognizing proper defenses ... In games this close it comes down to the very thing that has become a cliche for the current Pittsburgh Steelers coach Mike Tomlin -

    "Details"

    The Steelers/Ravens matchup is going to be about paying attention to details and execution. This shouldn't be a pretty game. Both Offenses should have issues at times. Both fanbases will get irate over their respective Offensive Coordinators and Quarterbacks at times. These are both good defenses that know each other very well. This game is less about talent at times and more about luck. Luck in calling the right play at the right time which happens less frequently in the NFL than most fans want to admit. These are good defenses who are going to force the opposing offense to be perfect or close to it in order to win. Don't expect completion percentages of 70%. Don't expect running Backs to carve out 100 yards or even come close. It's easy to accept someone that might not expect a team to put up 20 points. What the winning team and their fans should expect are ...

    • Attention to Detail.
    • Protecting the Ball.

    The last time the Steelers and Ravens faced each other in the Playoffs it was 2008. It was the AFC Championship Game. the game was at Heinz field and like today, both teams are very evenly matched without much difference in player personnel. The Steelers won the Turnover Battle 4-1 in that game picking off Joe Flacco 3 times. One shouldn't expect that ratio again, but that turnover battle was key in that game and when it comes to Steelers/Ravens games, turnovers and when those turnovers occur are often important keys.

    It's the Steelers/Ravens. This is the nastiest Rivalry in the NFL. These are the 2 most physical teams in the NFL. One fan base is called "Steeler Nation" and are known as the largest and most representative fan base in the NFL. The other fan base from Baltimore is mostly made up of unintelligent ******bags, skanks, and bandwagon jumpers. They have no name, because they don't deserve a name. They haven't earned a name because they haven't made an impact anywhere except for their own minds. Their collective football IQ is the same number as the one on the front of Joe Flacco's jersey. It could be worse, it could be the same as the number of Lombardi Trophies their team has won.

    It's the Steelers/Ravens. This rivalry is between one team with a long, rich NFL history - the Pittsburgh Steelers and the other team in which their original NFL team, The Colts, left their cesspool of a city in 1983 and didn't even care to tell their collective tools of a fan base that they were doing so. That's their history. A team that didn't want to be there that left for ... Indianapolis. That's like losing your wife secretly to a guy with 1 leg, Aids, a glass eye and 9 fingers.

    It's going to be a fun week. It's going to be a fun game. In Baltimore they are still celebrating their victory over the Kansas City Chiefs with various crimes and illegal activities that would only fit a fan base proud to support Ray Lewis.
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    Default Re: Recipe To Beating The Ravens? Win The Turnovers Battle

    I agree, you saw what happened to the Chiefs when they kept turning the ball over to the Ravens.

    the Steelers and Ravens are so close talent-wise that the turnover differential between the two teams may very well be the deciding factor in the outcome of the game.

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    Default Re: Recipe To Beating The Ravens? Win The Turnovers Battle

    It was contagious, Hawaiian and that's the one and only thing that has every worried me about Balitmore. When they get a turnover it's like they implant magnets into the balls and they just keep pouring in. Baltimore is a ball hawking team but they smell blood after that first turnover.
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    It was contagious, Hawaiian and that's the one and only thing that has every worried me about Balitmore. When they get a turnover it's like they implant magnets into the balls and they just keep pouring in. Baltimore is a ball hawking team but they smell blood after that first turnover.
    That's why we can't cough it up v. the Rattards. We will pretty much neutralize them in the run game and if Fucco doesn't shred our D (he shouldn't), we'll be alright.

    We also need to win field position in this game. They destroyed KC with field position and that's what helped them put the game quickly out of reach in the second half. That, and the fact that KC couldn't protect the ball to save their asses.
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    Be the same as most of the rest of the Ravens/Steelers games of the past decade...........

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    Turnovers and redzone opportunities,to me are the keys. In a tight hard fought game getting 7's instead of 3's can be huge.
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    The last time the Steelers and Ravens faced each other in the Playoffs it was 2008. It was the AFC Championship Game. the game was at Heinz field and like today, both teams are very evenly matched without much difference in player personnel. The Steelers won the Turnover Battle 4-1 in that game picking off Joe Flacco 3 times. One shouldn't expect that ratio again, but that turnover battle was key in that game and when it comes to Steelers/Ravens games, turnovers and when those turnovers occur are often important keys.
    Yep, the score was 16 - 14 deep into the 4th quarter, when Troy picks Flacco and returns it for a TD to ice the game.

    The other thing the Steelers need to do is take care of business on special teams. Field position will be critical in this game. In that 2008 AFC Championship game both teams punted 7 times. Late in the 2nd quarter the Ratbirds returned a Mitch berger punt 45 yds to the Steeler 17 to set up their 1st TD.
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    That's why we can't cough it up v. the Rattards. We will pretty much neutralize them in the run game and if Fucco doesn't shred our D (he shouldn't), we'll be alright.

    We also need to win field position in this game. They destroyed KC with field position and that's what helped them put the game quickly out of reach in the second half. That, and the fact that KC couldn't protect the ball to save their asses.
    They destroyed Kansas city with field position on the backs of all of the turnovers. There are turnovers that won't hurt you like a long bomb that gets picked and the field position is like a punt and there's turnovers that will kill you, like the ones Kansas City gave up where they handed Baltimore short fields. The best defenses in the league can't survive that against playoff caliber competition.

    That was a back and forth 3-4 point game both ways until Kansas City started to fumble and throw picks every series
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    Yep, the score was 16 - 14 deep into the 4th quarter, when Troy picks Flacco and returns it for a TD to ice the game.

    The other thing the Steelers need to do is take care of business on special teams. Field position will be critical in this game. In that 2008 AFC Championship game both teams punted 7 times. Late in the 2nd quarter the Ratbirds returned a Mitch berger punt 45 yds to the Steeler 17 to set up their 1st TD.
    Special Teams are always important especially when it comes to the Steelers in the playoffs. Special Teams **** poor play hurt us against New England in 2001. In 2001, the Patriots scored 14 of their 24 points and won basically on the backs of our incompetent Special Teams. They had a 55 yard kick return for 6 to start off the game and they had a blocked punt returned for a TD at the start of the 2nd half. We were down 21-3 which forced us to throw the ball more which basically killed us since Kordell was the QB and he folded under pressure
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    Collier: New menu for a feast

    Thursday, January 13, 2011
    By Gene Collier, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette


    We learned this week that when it comes to adjectives, Ben Roethlisberger prefers instinctual to instinctive, twice in one sentence invoking the former to describe the defensive reactions of the Baltimore Ravens.

    "There are two great defenses involved," said No. 7 said of the AFC playoff game Saturday, "so, to me, it's about what offense is going to make a mistake or not make it."

    And that shrewd assessment likely is more descriptive than either instinctual or instinctive, as it illuminates the veteran quarterback's broader understanding that these Steelers-Ravens free-for-alls generally turn on a single mistake.

    The costliest on record was the pass Joe Flacco threw to Troy Polamalu the night of Jan. 18, 2009, the one the inimitable safety returned to a bird-breaking touchdown in the AFC championship game.

    It's a shame, in one sense, that as well as the games in this ultra-violent series have been played, all seem to turn on somebody screwing something up.

    "That's just the way we look at it," said defensive end Nick Eason. "We're always harping around here on little things. One little thing, one little mistake can come back and bite you."

    One little thing too often has proven to be exactly enough to tilt the Steelers-Baltimore dynamic fatefully, so much so that you can't help but wonder if bigger things might soon come into play.

    Things as big as Todd Heap, for example, the 6-foot-5 tight end who missed all but the first series of plays in the previous meeting between these teams, then turned up catching 10 passes for 108 yards in Baltimore's playoff opener at Kansas City last week. Heap is just the sixth tight end in the past 44 years to catch 10 balls for more than 100 yards in a playoff game.

    "When he's healthy, he's a threat," Steelers corner Ike Taylor said Wednesday "You've always gotta be aware of where he's at because [Joe] Flacco is a good quarterback. If he sees a hole, he's gonna throw it in there."

    Flacco is himself a bigger thing than ever. He's not Roethlisberger, but he is closer to that plateau than he has been. Ray Rice, the only human to gain 100 yards rushing against the Steelers in their past 50 games, also looks more dangerous than ever.

    "They've been a better team than they've been in the past," said Eason. "They added [Anquan] Boldin and [T.J.] Houshmanzadeh this year. They've really established a lot of things."

    And we haven't talked instinctualness yet. The entire defense is riding the emotional momentum of Terrell Suggs, who in consistently posing questions for which offenses have no answers. Suggs spent nearly as much time in the Steelers' backfield Dec. 5 in Baltimore as Rashard Mendenhall.

    For all the we-know-them-and-they-know-us rhetoric filling both locker rooms in the ramp-up, Mike Tomlin warned only in passing the other day that the Ravens are perfectly capable of, as he put it, "flipping the script."

    So, yeah, I'm starting to gather that these Ravens are a difficult assignment for a team that has not beaten an accomplished opponent in six weeks, even when it happened to be the Ravens, who just happened to be the team making the one offensive mistake that night, the one that proved fateful.

    That's the polite way to describe it. The impolite way is probably that it was the stupidest play of the season in which Flacco turned his back to a blitz-showing Troy Polamalu with a four-point lead in the fourth quarter.

    I don't look for that degree of brain cramp from John Harbaugh's team any time soon.

    In a far more abstract sense, flipping the script might mean it is time we wondered about the durability of some themes we've just grown accustomed to around here, because playoff folklore isn't permanent. It is up for peer review every January.

    The Steelers are 8-0 in the playoffs against division opponents and 8-0 in the playoffs against teams they were meeting for the third time in the same season. In those eight third-meeting games, stretching back to January 1979, the Steelers won by an average of two touchdowns.

    Those elements are part of a larger historical script that will get flipped one of these days. One cold day probably. Maybe with the Heinz Field lights blazing over the mud and the snow. I'm not really at all sure that day isn't just about here.

    Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11013...#ixzz1AxLzdGvZ

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    I hate to be the Negative Nanny on this one but I'm so sick and tired of thoughtless commentators and football prognosticators who immediatly make the comment "they'll win the game if they win the turnover battle." OF COURSE THEY'LL WIN THE ****ING GAME! I'll bet if you do an analysis (I won't do it because I have all of my spare time committed to living) you will find out that 98% of all games ever played the team with the fewest turnovers generally wins! Why is it that the teams with the lowest turnover ratio don't make the playoffs?

    Please, this is the same as saying the guy with the most toilet paper rarely gets skid marks in his drawers! LET'S START LOOKING AT STATISTICS THAT ACTUALLY MATTER like if Suggs the Thug can fit another tat on his body!

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