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    By the end of the 1977 NFL season, Pittsburgh Steelers star Terry Bradshaw could have had every reason in the world to feel like the world's most overlooked quarterback.

    Over the previous six years, he had posted a stellar 49-17 regular-season record and an equally impressive 8-4 postseason mark. Two of those playoff wins were Super Bowl victories and in both of those contests he threw a fourth-quarter touchdown pass that helped seal the win for the Steelers.

    Despite this abundance of success, Bradshaw still seemingly had not convinced the world he was among the best at his position. Proof of this can be found in the 1977 All-Pro and Pro Bowl voting.

    Bradshaw had guided his team to a 9-5 record and the AFC Central Division title and yet was beaten out for those postseason honors not just by the likes of Bob Griese and Roger Staubach (the consensus choices as the top quarterbacks of that season), but also by lesser talents such as Pat Haden and Jim Hart.

    Near the end of the 2010 season, Ben Roethlisberger could be in exactly the same kind of overlooked boat as his Black and Gold predecessor. Like Bradshaw, he has a superb regular-season record (69-29, a .704 win percentage that is third-best of any quarterback since 1970) and a dominant 8-2 postseason mark that includes two Super Bowl titles.

    Also like Bradshaw, Roethlisberger is coming off a campaign where his team went 9-3 with him under center and won a hard-fought division title. Still, it wasn't enough for him to be named one of the six quarterbacks going to the Pro Bowl.

    While that certainly doesn't seem fair on its face, what makes it even more unjust is that a closer look at the game tape and metrics shows that Big Ben was just as good this season as AFC Pro Bowl starter -- and all but certain 2010 NFL MVP -- Tom Brady.

    There are three metric areas that work best to illustrate this:

    The first is the short pass yards per attempt metric (YPA) (a short pass being one thrown 10 yards or less from the line of scrimmage). Brady's 7.0 YPA total here is excellent, but Roethlisberger's 7.5 YPA is a bit better. One could almost call this a push.

    Second on the list is vertical YPA (vertical being defined as a pass thrown 11 or more yards downfield). Brady posted an 11.6 YPA mark, but that was nearly equaled by Roethlisberger's 11.4 YPA. Again, pretty much a push.

    Third is bad decision percentage (a bad decision defined as when a quarterback makes a mistake with the ball that leads either to a turnover or a near-turnover such a dropped interception). Brady has always excelled here and his 1.3 percent mark this year meets his historically high standards. Although it tops Roethlisberger's 2.0 percent total, and should seemingly give Brady a significant statistical edge, two things need to be noted here.

    First, seven-tenths of a percentage point over the course of a 500-attempt season (which is roughly the attempt pace that both Brady and Roethlisberger were on this year, if Roethlisberger's attempt total was pro-rated over a 16-game schedule) equals between three and four extra bad decisions. In other words, an extra mistake by Roethlisberger every four to five games.

    Now consider that Roethlisberger and Brady play in offenses that have markedly different passing philosophies. The New England Patriots switched to a dink-and-dunk offense this year and that led to 70.7 percent of Brady's throws occurring at the short-pass depth level.

    To put 70.7 percent into perspective, consider that when Matt Cassel filled in for the injured Brady for almost the entire 2008 season, short passes accounted for only 65.3 percent of New England's pass attempts. The Patriots' brain trust scaled things back dramatically for Cassel and yet they still dink and dunked it more this year than they did that season.

    Now contrast those figures to Roethlisberger's 55.9 percent short pass total. This indicates that the Steelers' offense is absolutely not short-pass centric, but the contrast becomes even easier to see when comparing the vertical pass percentages for each quarterback. Roethlisberger's vertical throws accounted for 37.4 percent of his attempts versus 26.8 percent of Brady's.

    In other words, Roethlisberger is piloting a high-risk/high-reward offense. A solid bad decision rate for a quarterback of that nature would be in the 2.5-to-3 percent range and Roethlisberger's 2.0 percent total is well below that. Brady's 1.3 percent mark is just as superb (a 2.0 percent total is considered good for dink/dunk offenses) but when this context is applied, it is clear that his lead in this metric is fairly negligible at best.

    And that's the story with pretty much any measurement one can come up with to compare Roethlisberger and Brady both for this season and their careers. The biggest exception to this might be that Brady has three Super Bowl rings to Roethlisberger's two, but the second-biggest exception is that Roethlisberger is 4½ years younger -- he has a lot more time to make up the title gap than Brady has to extend it.

    It also could mean that Roethlisberger has a chance to mimic Bradshaw in one other important way. As overlooked as the Blond Bomber was in 1977, after he piloted his team to two more Super Bowl wins, he finally received his due by being named the first-string quarterback on the NFL's All-Decade Team of the 1970s.

    The timing of Roethlisberger's career means that he won't have a chance to beat out Brady for All-Decade honors, but if he guides the Steelers to a Super Bowl this season and ties Brady in the championship rings category, his odds of eventually surpassing Brady as the No. 1 quarterback of this generation are actually quite good.

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    Considering the complete lack of creativity in our red zone offense, Ben's 17 TD passes along with only 5 picks is impressive!

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    pretty funny stuff, did you guys see where Cromartie called Brady an a-hole?


    Brady on Cromartie: “Maybe he really likes me”

    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 12, 2011


    If Rex Ryan wanted to distract the media from the 45-3 pasting the Jets took in Week 13, well, it’s working.

    We don’t think any of the talk will have one bit of impact on Sunday’s game, but it makes for good entertainment. And you guys sure seem to like clicking on it. Here’s a mid-afternoon Wednesday recap.

    Rex Ryan on cornerback Antonio Cromartie’s comments: “Trust me, [the Patriots] are saying a lot worse about me and others here, maybe it just wasn’t printed.”

    Ryan isn’t worried about the effect his comments could have in New England.

    “To think that a comment here or there is going to incite them to play at a greater level or something like that,” Ryan said. “I don’t believe that’s true.”

    Cromartie didn’t back down from calling Brady an a–hole. He further chastised Brady’s actions after scoring. “Be a pro about it. Have your fun. Do it on sideline. But don’t look at our sideline.That’s big sign of disrespect.”

    Cromartie also said that he remembered how the Patriots were “classless” like LaDainian Tomlinson once said during the 2006 playoffs in San Diego. He hopes that the Patriots target him on Sunday and doesn’t want to know what Brady said about him.

    “Don’t care,” Cromartie said via Bob Glauber of Newsday. “Next question.”

    The Patriots predictably wouldn’t respond. Belichick said they are just focused on the game. Brady simply said that Cromartie was a great player and that maybe the Jets cornerback truly has affection for him.

    “Belichick has called me [an a--hole],” Brady said. “My OC has called me that. They like me, so maybe he likes me.”

    We’ll let cornerback Darrelle Revis have the final word, via Manish Mehta of the New York Daily News.

    “You can blab all you want during the week, but you got to be able to perform and execute.”

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    pretty funny stuff, did you guys see where Cromartie called Brady an a-hole?
    Yea... Caught some of that fall-out this morning on the various sports talk shows... Sometimes the truth hurts.... LoL
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    “Belichick has called me [an a--hole],” Brady said. “My OC has called me that. They like me, so maybe he likes me.”
    Wonder what he thinks about people that call him a raging homo?

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    Who the hell is Jim Hart ?

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    Who the hell is Jim Hart ?
    ... Showing you age, man.... Look it up.
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    brady can be an arrogant prick!

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    Wonder what he thinks about people that call him a raging homo?
    He probably hopes they like him too.

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    I just looked him up. His stats looked pretty decent except he had about 40 more picks than Td's. Is that common for QBS.

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    I just looked him up. His stats looked pretty decent except he had about 40 more picks than Td's. Is that common for QBS.
    Back in those days, the QB called all of the plays in the huddle. There were no helmets with speakers in them waiting for a call from the sidelines. Back then, the QB was the 'man.'

    Bradshaw had 212 TDs and 210 INTs.

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    Suggs pokes at Brady ... again

    JAN 13
    By Mike Reiss


    On an interview with "SiriusXM’s Mad Dog Radio” today, Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs once again took aim at Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

    Here is a transcript of his remarks (from Sirius):

    Host/Steve Phillips: “How do you look at Ben Roethlisberger? We hear a lot about Peyton Manning, a lot about Tom Brady and the numbers that those guys put up. Roethlisberger’s been one of those kinda blue collar, tough quarterbacks and you guys have had some great matchups with them. From your perspective, how do you compare Roethlisberger to some of the other QBs in the NFL?”

    Terrell Suggs: “Well, if you ask me he’s definitely up there with them. Because he has the hardware to prove it and that’s all that matters in this league, is Super Bowls. And he’s won two of them. If I’m correct Manning’s only won one, both Mannings that is, and Phillip Rivers doesn’t have any, and Tom Brady has three, I think, a questionable three. This guy won the Super Bowl, I believe, in his second year in the league and I’m not sure if that’s ever been done before. If it has, it’s been very rare.”

    Phillips: “Now, what do you mean ‘a questionable three’ for Tom Brady? What do you mean by that?”

    Suggs: “Oh, you know, you’ve got the tuck rule incident and then you’ve got the videotaping of the other team’s practices. It’s just like, okay, what’s going on here? You know? But, hey, it is what it is. They won the games no matter how you did it. But, um, it’s whatever.”

    Host/Jeff Rickard: “Terrell, how come you and Tom Brady like each other so much?”

    Suggs: “I love Tommy. (laughter) I don’t know, I don’t know. I guess it all brewed from when I nicked his knee, I guess, a little bit. I was just, wow, you almost hit a guy and you get flagged? Kind of blew me away. I never knew one man could have so much power. I guess I stand corrected.”

    Phillips: “But what is it about Brady that brings that reaction out in people? Antonio Cromartie has had things to say. Obviously, Rex Ryan has had things to say. You’ve had your own issues with Brady. Does he actually point to the sideline, to the opposition, when his team scores? What is it that kind of provokes that kind of a strong emotional response from the opposition?”

    Suggs: “Uh, I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe because he is Tom Brady and he dates supermodels. That can have a lot to do with it, like, dang, this guy’s got the world, he’s winning Super Bowls and dating supermodels. It don’t get much better than that. And he gets, you know, rules made for him. He gets to tell the referee when to throw the flag. That’s a hen in a handbasket [sic] right there.”

    Rickard: “While we’re talking about quarterbacks, talk to me about Joe Flacco. He’s kind of like the anti-Brady. He’s the lunch pail guy, right?”

    Suggs: “Definitely. He’s cool. He don’t say anything. He has no interest in being GQ Man of the Year. So he’s just going to come to work, get the job done, you know? He’s Joe Cool. That’s why you got the difference between the two.”

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    Suggs pokes at Brady ... again

    JAN 13
    By Mike Reiss


    On an interview with "SiriusXM’s Mad Dog Radio” today, Ravens outside linebacker Terrell Suggs once again took aim at Patriots quarterback Tom Brady.

    Here is a transcript of his remarks (from Sirius):

    Host/Steve Phillips: “How do you look at Ben Roethlisberger? We hear a lot about Peyton Manning, a lot about Tom Brady and the numbers that those guys put up. Roethlisberger’s been one of those kinda blue collar, tough quarterbacks and you guys have had some great matchups with them. From your perspective, how do you compare Roethlisberger to some of the other QBs in the NFL?”

    Terrell Suggs: “Well, if you ask me he’s definitely up there with them. Because he has the hardware to prove it and that’s all that matters in this league, is Super Bowls. And he’s won two of them. If I’m correct Manning’s only won one, both Mannings that is, and Phillip Rivers doesn’t have any, and Tom Brady has three, I think, a questionable three. This guy won the Super Bowl, I believe, in his second year in the league and I’m not sure if that’s ever been done before. If it has, it’s been very rare.”

    Phillips: “Now, what do you mean ‘a questionable three’ for Tom Brady? What do you mean by that?”

    Suggs: “Oh, you know, you’ve got the tuck rule incident and then you’ve got the videotaping of the other team’s practices. It’s just like, okay, what’s going on here? You know? But, hey, it is what it is. They won the games no matter how you did it. But, um, it’s whatever.”

    Host/Jeff Rickard: “Terrell, how come you and Tom Brady like each other so much?”

    Suggs: “I love Tommy. (laughter) I don’t know, I don’t know. I guess it all brewed from when I nicked his knee, I guess, a little bit. I was just, wow, you almost hit a guy and you get flagged? Kind of blew me away. I never knew one man could have so much power. I guess I stand corrected.”

    Phillips: “But what is it about Brady that brings that reaction out in people? Antonio Cromartie has had things to say. Obviously, Rex Ryan has had things to say. You’ve had your own issues with Brady. Does he actually point to the sideline, to the opposition, when his team scores? What is it that kind of provokes that kind of a strong emotional response from the opposition?”

    Suggs: “Uh, I don’t know. I don’t know. Maybe because he is Tom Brady and he dates supermodels. That can have a lot to do with it, like, dang, this guy’s got the world, he’s winning Super Bowls and dating supermodels. It don’t get much better than that. And he gets, you know, rules made for him. He gets to tell the referee when to throw the flag. That’s a hen in a handbasket [sic] right there.”

    Rickard: “While we’re talking about quarterbacks, talk to me about Joe Flacco. He’s kind of like the anti-Brady. He’s the lunch pail guy, right?”

    Suggs: “Definitely. He’s cool. He don’t say anything. He has no interest in being GQ Man of the Year. So he’s just going to come to work, get the job done, you know? He’s Joe Cool. That’s why you got the difference between the two.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-e...at-brady-again
    Ummmm, how does he know? I thought that was limited to girls Ben meets in restrooms. Maybe he was referring to Brady, whom I'm SURE better fits that mold.

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    Rickard: “While we’re talking about quarterbacks, talk to me about Joe Flacco. He’s kind of like the anti-Brady. He’s the lunch pail guy, right?”

    Suggs: “Definitely. He’s cool. He don’t say anything. He has no interest in being GQ Man of the Year.


    Like he ever had a shot in hell of that happening.

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