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    Default Steelers' Ike Taylor ready to cash in?

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    Updated Feb 12, 2011 1:09 PM ET
    Given their uncanny ability to draft, develop and advance players, the Pittsburgh Steelers rarely lose a veteran for whom they don't have a ready and able replacement. But the AFC champions might be out of luck in supplanting corner Ike Taylor if he departs via free agency.

    Taylor's agent, Joel Segal, told The Sports Xchange this week that there have been "zero negotiations" to date and that he expects the eight-year veteran to be "a very hot guy" in free agency.

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    It could be time to break out of the closet those old, dusty, "I Like Ike" campaign buttons from the 1950s and polish 'em up.

    Taylor has some of the poorest hands in the league among cornerbacks, and drops more than his share of would-be interceptions. But coaches, particularly defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau, regard him highly. He is the closest thing Pittsburgh has to a "shutdown" cornerback and is a terrific fit for the Steelers' system, a guy who is rarely out of position in coverage and plays the run well.

    It's hard to say what the Steelers would do without Taylor, who will be an unrestricted free agent no matter the resolution of CBA discussions, and who seems destined to test the open market.

    "I've been (in Pittsburgh) my whole career, and I'd like to finish with the Steelers," said Taylor, a fourth-round pick in 2003. "It's my home, and I really don't know anything else. But (stuff) happens, so we'll see."

    Taylor signed a five-year, $22.5 million extension just before the start of the 2006 season, but that deal will expire, and it will likely cost the Steelers a lot more to keep him. Despite the success of Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers in last week's title game, Taylor played pretty well in Super Bowl XLV. Rodgers clearly targeted corners Bryant McFadden and William Gay throughout the game. On one of the game's biggest plays, a third-and-10 completion to Greg Jennings up the seam, Taylor had excellent coverage, but Rodgers lofted the ball just over his finger tips.

    Director of football operations Kevin Colbert acknowledged last week the Steelers are "definitely behind" on some negotiations because of their appearance in the Super Bowl, but emphasized Taylor is a priority for the club. However the team is expected to use a franchise tag on linebacker LaMarr Woodley, so retaining Taylor could be a stretch.

    As of Thursday night there were no discussions planned as the Steelers, like many teams in the league, wait for CBA negotiations to play out.

    Pittsburgh has drafted four cornerbacks in four years Gay (fifth round, 2007), Keenan Lewis (third round, 2009), Joe Burnett (fifth round, 2009) and Crezdon Butler (fifth round, 2010) and none seems ready enough yet to step in. Gay started 14 games in 2009, but was inadequate enough that the Steelers re-acquired McFadden in a trade. Gay is seen more as a nickel defender than a starter in the "base" defense.

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    Corner market: So why might Taylor have a healthy market, even though he has just 11 interceptions in eight seasons, and has only once posted more than two in a campaign? For starters, Taylor is very durable, having missed just one start the past four seasons, and averaged 14.8 starts over the last six years.

    And then there is the free agency cornerback class: Nnamdi Asomugha, who voided his contract with the Raiders, is going to cost a ton. Champ Bailey is 32 years old and at some point in the next three or four years will move inside to safety. Ronde Barber is 35 and everyone figures he's headed back to Tampa Bay. Antonio Cromartie is, well, Antonio Cromartie.

    At 30 years old, set to turn 31 this spring, Taylor is a viable alternative who is a low-maintenance guy and one who knows how to win.

    Two other corners on whom to keep an eye, according to one league pro scout: Carlos Rogers of Washington and Buffalo's Drayton Florence. Said the scout to The Sports Xchange: "(Florence) could be the surprise guy. He just turned 30, he's really pretty mature, and he's become a good player.
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    Default Re: Steelers' Ike Taylor ready to cash in?

    This is a hard decision and one I am glad I don't have to make.....

    Some team may offer Ike a ridiculous amount of money and it may not even be possible.
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    Default Re: Steelers' Ike Taylor ready to cash in?

    Actually the decision is pretty easy if you ask me. Ike must stay at all costs. I would franchise Ike over Woodley. The Steelers have a ton of LB prospects, and if need be, Timmons could always move outside. I love Woodley as a player, but he is far more replaceable than Ike.

    Think of how hard it is to develop a shut down corner. And think of the thought of Gay and Mcfadden starting at the corners. Then tell me again if its a tough call whether or not to keep Ike at all costs.

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    Default Re: Steelers' Ike Taylor ready to cash in?

    I don't know the whole situation with the lack of a CBA, but can't you throw a franchise tag at one player and the transition tag at another? Seems like a fairly easy decision to hold on to both Ike and Woodley.

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    Actually the decision is pretty easy if you ask me. Ike must stay at all costs. I would franchise Ike over Woodley. The Steelers have a ton of LB prospects, and if need be, Timmons could always move outside. I love Woodley as a player, but he is far more replaceable than Ike.

    Think of how hard it is to develop a shut down corner. And think of the thought of Gay and Mcfadden starting at the corners. Then tell me again if its a tough call whether or not to keep Ike at all costs.
    I respectfully disagree.... I think Woodley's contributions cannot be overlooked nor assumed that they could be replicated by another prospect or by moving Timmons, but that's just my opinion...

    On the other hand, I think we might be in a bad position if we were to lose Ike, but I also do not think he is the quintessential "shut down corner" either... But he's the best we have right now. Obviously Gay/McFadden are not the answer, but what we saw this season may not lead Ike to getting the money he may be looking for... It's a tough call, and I really think we'll be somewhat hurting either way IMO.

    ... But I do honestly think Woodley will be kept... There obviously will be no move made until the new CBA is established, but once it has been, I expect Woodley to be tagged... But as I said, that's just my opinion.
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    I don't know the whole situation with the lack of a CBA, but can't you throw a franchise tag at one player and the transition tag at another?
    Nothing can be done until the next CBA is in place, that's why the Steelers (and every other team) are waiting.... I only "think" I know what I've been listening to and hearing... I honestly don't know for sure, but there may be only one option to select for both of these players... Again, I don't know for sure either way....
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    nd think of the thought of Gay and Mcfadden starting at the corners.
    It would make me long for Dewayne Washington and Chadd Scott....YIKES!!!
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    Default Re: Steelers' Ike Taylor ready to cash in?

    I wouldn't break the bank for either Taylor or Woodley.

    Taylor isn't a truly elite CB, IMO and he sure isn't a ball hawk . He's **** good for the most part but he still does stupid crap during games. When (if) the 2011 season starts he'll be 31 years old. If Taylor doesn't ask for too much I think the Steelers re-sign him, otherwise I think he's gone.

    Everyone, including Woodley thinks he'll be tagged, so I guess it could/will happen. I just don't see the Steelers giving Woodley a gigantic contract, though. It's not how the team generally does business and I think the same thing will happen with Woodley, if so, I think it'll be 100% the correct move. Woodely disappears for large stretches of games. His only real specialty seems to be bullrushing the QB. If he asks for a fair contract, I think he gets it, if he asks for too much and won't budge, I think he's gone.

    LB's come and go with the Steelers and I don't see anything special from Woodley that would suggest otherwise when it comes to negotiating with him for the Steelers.

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    I respectfully disagree.... I think Woodley's contributions cannot be overlooked nor assumed that they could be replicated by another prospect or by moving Timmons, but that's just my opinion...

    On the other hand, I think we might be in a bad position if we were to lose Ike, but I also do not think he is the quintessential "shut down corner" either... But he's the best we have right now. Obviously Gay/McFadden are not the answer, but what we saw this season may not lead Ike to getting the money he may be looking for... It's a tough call, and I really think we'll be somewhat hurting either way IMO.

    ... But I do honestly think Woodley will be kept... There obviously will be no move made until the new CBA is established, but once it has been, I expect Woodley to be tagged... But as I said, that's just my opinion.
    Well here is what you would have to choose from. Either you take a really good LB out of a core of LB's that are still pretty good without him. Stevenson Sylvester or Worlids or whoever is not going to get the same results as Wood but they will probably be alright. On the other hand we have NOTHING at CB without Ike. I think Wood is better at his position than Ike is at his position but it isn't that simple. I hope they work out a deal with both of them. Oh and I bet Wood would be offered A LOT more $$$ than Ike. Other teams don't want CB's from here. Everyone thought BMac was going to get rich... naw.

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    Default Re: Steelers' Ike Taylor ready to cash in?

    As much as I like Woodley, linebackers are easier to replace than a quality corner like Ike.

    What other corner could replace Ike ?

    What other linebacker could replace Woodley ?

    I think the list will be longer in length for linebackers.

    After seeing what Gay and McFadden were like I would think many would by now be screaming for Ike to stay. In McFaddens defense I believe he was hurt more than they told us.

    Ike was a heck of a fourth round pick up btw.

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    Ike and wood have to stay because for sure, we need defense to go back to the Super Bowl. CB is the weakest link on this team and there's no need to make it worse. Ya can't replace wood either. It all starts witty those two in free agency.
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    Well here is what you would have to choose from. Either you take a really good LB out of a core of LB's that are still pretty good without him. [HIGH-LIGHT]Stevenson Sylvester or Worlids or whoever is not going to get the same results as Wood[/HIGH-LIGHT] but they will probably be alright. On the other hand we have NOTHING at CB without Ike. I think Wood is better at his position than Ike is at his position but it isn't that simple. I hope they work out a deal with both of them. Oh and I bet Wood would be offered A LOT more $$$ than Ike. Other teams don't want CB's from here. Everyone thought BMac was going to get rich... naw.
    How do you know that? Both players have shown some great potential in limited play. Woodley isn't really a dominator at his position and he definitely benefits with matchups with Harrison being on the other side of the line.

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    How do you know that? Both players have shown some great potential in limited play. Woodley isn't really a dominator at his position and he definitely benefits with matchups with Harrison being on the other side of the line.
    Nothing is for certain man. I like those guys. It's possible one of those guys will be better than Woodley but it takes a little time. I dont think they could immediately replace that guy but who knows? I think they are being groomed for Harrisons side tho.

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    Nothing is for certain man. I like those guys. It's possible one of those guys will be better than Woodley but it takes a little time. I dont think they could immediately replace that guy but who knows? I think they are being groomed for Harrisons side tho.
    This is what I am thinking. Woodley is only 26 while Harrison is 32 and I can't see the Steelers letting Wood walk. It makes sense to me that Worilds is being groomed to take over for Harrison who, is probably in his last contract with Pittsburgh, will be 35 when it's played out. Wood will get a long term deal when a CBA is agreed upon. I am real curious to see how they handle Taylor, since I don't see a whole lot of interest in a 31 year old corner who can't catch a football. I'll guess he gets the transition tag to at least hold onto him for one more year. If he gets the tag, the Steelers first pick will be a CB.
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    Nothing is for certain man. I like those guys. It's possible one of those guys will be better than Woodley but it takes a little time. I dont think they could immediately replace that guy but who knows? I think they are being groomed for Harrisons side tho.
    I think Worilds might be, but I'm pretty sure Sylvester will be an ILB. Maybe Farrior's replacement?

    I like Woodley, I just don't want to see the Steelers break the bank on the guy. He just isn't consistent enough for that, IMO. The Steelers generally make the right decision with these kinds of contracts, we'll see what happens.

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